J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[nkvd]

Is it an air superiority fighter,fighter-bomber,multirole,interceptor and so forth.Guys we have heard this before and its gets nowhere but if you feel like beating a dead horse,by all means go ahead

 

[latenlazy]

I just noticed this remark ! So maybe I get a birthday-present one day late !?!?!?

Deino

Hahh, maybe

 

[Air Force Brat]

Is it an air superiority fighter,fighter-bomber,multirole,interceptor and so forth.Guys we have heard this before and its gets nowhere but if you feel like beating a dead horse,by all means go ahead

Well as far as we know, its two flying prototypes, possibly 3-4 flying prototypes, and maybe a ground test article. The J-20 is primarily an A2A fighter, with long range "interceptor" credentials, ie plenty of internal fuel, with a future A2G capability similar to the F-22, and probably the ability to network and AWAC other manned and unmanned aircraft.defining its role or roles is part of our purpose here. For those who just want to look at pretty pictures, I'm sure there will be plenty of those at the bookstore. The Sino Defense Forum is able to "flesh-out" the aircraft and its mission, in a way that will allow us to understand where it fits, and why its capable of performing its mission, and what are the challenges and how she will meet those challenges. I love those pretty pictures as much as the next guy, but the insightful commentary is what sets Sino Defense apart. If a thread delves into an area you're not interested in, and you've nothing to add, skim on to the pretty pictures.

 

[Air Force Brat]

They probably protest it because in the context of the debates over the J-20's role thus far, most of the time it's described as an interceptor, it's implied by those who use that description that's all it can do, not something it can *also* do.

Well in the West, the most singularly important defensive role, is to "intercept" offensive fighters or bombers and keep them from "penetrating" your airspace. If you watch "Top-gun" that is the purpose of Top=Cap, fly out and "intercept the bad boys", before they are able to launch any weapons, that's why we keep the F-22 on each coast, is it the best at Air to Air Combat??? can it also release Air to Ground munitions????, does it also function as an AWACs????? Dr. Song makes it very clear in his treatise, that the J-20 "must" come up to that same standard, even though he acknowledges that the engines are a possible obstacle, he demands that the J-20 will be capable of meeting the F-22 close in and engaging as an "equal",,,,, is the J-20 up to that standard????? So lets agree that each of these roles is an important facet of the .mission of this aircraft.

Now, could somebody please find us some pretty pictures???? and would somebody CG me a J-20 in all-over white with recognition orange trim, I need a new screen saver....brat

 

[volleyballer]

With regards to the numbering of the J-20 prototypes: some have postulated that with the latest appearance of No. 2011, that there are now 11 prototypes built. Either that, or they are re-numbered. Both of which are most likely false.

The 2001/2002 belong to the 00 batch, whereas the 2011 belongs to 01 batch. The 00 batch being basically flying laboratories, and the 01 being more of a complete airplane.

This suggested that it is unlikely for us to see the long speculated 2003, because either A) it never existed, or B) the program has moved on from that stage.

 

[Air Force Brat]

With regards to the numbering of the J-20 prototypes: some have postulated that with the latest appearance of No. 2011, that there are now 11 prototypes built. Either that, or they are re-numbered. Both of which are most likely false.

The 2001/2002 belong to the 00 batch, whereas the 2011 belongs to 01 batch. The 00 batch being basically flying laboratories, and the 01 being more of a complete airplane.

This suggested that it is unlikely for us to see the long speculated 2003, because either A) it never existed, or B) the program has moved on from that stage.

At this stage of the game, I highly doubt their are 11, so that leaves us with renumbering, this new theory of 2011, or being where we left off, this is somewhat maddening, so I guess we wait! patiently! arrrgh!

 

[SamuraiBlue]

At this stage of the game, I highly doubt their are 11, so that leaves us with renumbering, this new theory of 2011, or being where we left off, this is somewhat maddening, so I guess we wait! patiently! arrrgh!

I am not sure how many but there is a possibility that they numbered the frames used for static stress tests.
Japan placed three air frames through the test for P-1 and I believe they were issued frame numbers as well.

 

[by78]

I am not sure how many but there is a possibility that they numbered the frames used for static stress tests.
Japan placed three air frames through the test for P-1 and I believe they were issued frame numbers as well.

Still, the number seems excessive.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

Still, the number seems excessive.

I agree but I am merely pointing out possibilities.

 

[by78]

Here are some photos I dredged up years ago. I'm sure many of you have seen these, but I'd just like to re-post them to pass the time whilst we wait for fresh '2011' eye candy to oggle at.



Possible J-20 cockpit (image from almost five years back)

Or might they opt for a F-35 style large single MFD such as these?

Here's the alleged AESA radar for the J-20, 'leaked' a few days ago.

And the fighter radar roadmap for J-10B (top), J-16 (middle), and J-20 (bottom)...

Then there's the alleged TVC nozzle the Chinese are said be developing.

An animated view of the 'wigglefartzzle'... Now set this to MC Hammer or '80s German electronic music.

A few more recent ones...

And back to the beginning, with AVIC's pit stop team in Bruce Lee style tracksuits and a soldier scurrying for cover like a dwarf fleeing Smaug the Black Dragon.