J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[Air Force Brat]

For the off bore sight targeting with missiles, particularly the IR missiles, this is true.

But there is no off bore sight targeting for guns. If you have to really get down in the weeds and go mano er mano with guns, you better keep that manueverability.

You can expend all of your missiles, you can have more adversaries than you have missiles...and may need to get down to 20 mike mike (or whatever mike mike you carry), so I'd keep that super manueverability for that for sure...and for evading some of those missile critters too while using all the counter measures in your bag of tricks.

Of course I agree with you completely, but the current fighter philosophy seems to have returned to a multirole fighter, with more emphasis on G2A than A2A, I note with some consternation that the Navy C doesn't have an internal gun??? brat

 

[SamuraiBlue]

Never the less, at least the Chinese has a great program going on and will continue to develop for many years to come. I don't see any other Asian countries are even trying this on their own with the same level of China, Russia and the US.

How about Japan?
TRDI is scheduled to test fly the ATD-X Shinshin on her maiden flight next year in which they already completed the engine testing it on a test bed and planning on introducing the F-3 in the 2020's.

 

[Blitzo]

How about Japan?
TRDI is scheduled to test fly the ATD-X Shinshin on her maiden flight next year in which they already completed the engine testing it on a test bed and planning on introducing the F-3 in the 2020's.

Well, ATD-X is still a demonstrator which is due to fly, and is only a subscale demonstrator at that. i.e.: it's not even a YF-22 or X-35 "prototype demonstrator" bur rather a "technology demonstrator". And who knows when F-3 will fly (if ATD-X flies 2014, will we see the first prototype F-3 when, 2018?), which will be probably followed by an 8 year prototyping cycle before it finally enters production.


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Well what do you know, looks like my guess was right.

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"Series production is to begin in 2027."

 

[latenlazy]

How about Japan?
TRDI is scheduled to test fly the ATD-X Shinshin on her maiden flight next year in which they already completed the engine testing it on a test bed and planning on introducing the F-3 in the 2020's.

When it flies it flies. I think the back and forth was more about the standards for what qualified as "vaporware". Some might have found an inconsistency with touting Japan's 5th generation fighter program while being overly cautious about China's.

 

[Equation]

How about Japan?
TRDI is scheduled to test fly the ATD-X Shinshin on her maiden flight next year in which they already completed the engine testing it on a test bed and planning on introducing the F-3 in the 2020's.

That's just tech demonstrations. I doubt Japan would serious put a lot of money on this program unless they deem it necessary. Since, they're getting the F-35A series, there's no need for further R & D for mass production.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

That's just tech demonstrations. I doubt Japan would serious put a lot of money on this program unless they deem it necessary. Since, they're getting the F-35A series, there's no need for further R & D for mass production.

Japan only sees a limited role for the F-35A in ASA replacing the aging F-4JKs. The present air superiority fighter, F-15J is scheduled to be replaced in the 2020's which is also the target for F-3 development project.
Japan is pouring R&D funds in light weight high thrust fan jet engine technology and various radar and communication technology already.
It's only natural to see full development of the F-3 in full fruition with present course of development TRDI is placing now.

 

[Blitzo]

That's interesting, I read that F-3 would be an intended replacement for the F-2. That said, F-3 could certainly be a replacement for both aircraft, however it may result in a rather dramatic cut in overall fleet numbers, if cost of 5th generation fighters remains relatively high in the forseeable future. 200 F-3s are... ambitious.


Not to mention by 2027 quite a few of JASDF's existing F-15Js will be getting real long in the tooth. I foresee the need for a stop gap, a 4+ generation fighter bought off the shelf. Maybe JASDF could get a few F-15SEs. There will sure to be some commonality with F-15Js to lower costs a little.

But I digress, and this is a thread for J-20.

 

[plawolf]

Japan only sees a limited role for the F-35A in ASA replacing the aging F-4JKs. The present air superiority fighter, F-15J is scheduled to be replaced in the 2020's which is also the target for F-3 development project.
Japan is pouring R&D funds in light weight high thrust fan jet engine technology and various radar and communication technology already.
It's only natural to see full development of the F-3 in full fruition with present course of development TRDI is placing now.

Let's see some eggs before we start counting those chickens.

Besides, this is the J20 thread, and nothing in your last post has anything to do with the J20.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Recommend our mod like beings whom I am not saying I know what they are but...*holds invisible cheeseburger* Aliens.....
use there great powers to dazzle us lowly mortals and create a thread for the Shinshin ATD-X in the world armed forces forum.

 

[delft]

The honest truth is that the J-20 is currently on the back burner, waiting for an official "blessing", such as was be-stowed on the Liaoning and J-15, so gentleman, Navy is leading Air Force, 24-7 early in the third quarter. brat

I think the J-20 project is like a swan, nothing moves above but it paddles furiously under water. Official blessing must have been bestowed long ago.