J-15 carrier fighter thread

danielchin

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According to this news, one J-15 model with WS-10A engines is put on the table of Zhuhai airshow 2014. Since Russian is not happy to Chinese copycats, domestic made J-11 series fighter and model never shows up in Zhuhai airshow. Does showing J-15 referencing T-10K-3 imply that Russian and China already settle the copycat disputes and Su-35 purchase?

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Totoro

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In my opinion, the level of cooperation between two countries suggests that the J11b issue has been legally sorted out some years ago already.
 

SinoSoldier

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According to this news, one J-15 model with WS-10A engines is put on the table of Zhuhai airshow 2014. Since Russian is not happy to Chinese copycats, domestic made J-11 series fighter and model never shows up in Zhuhai airshow. Does showing J-15 referencing T-10K-3 imply that Russian and China already settle the copycat disputes and Su-35 purchase?

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As clearly explained before, neither the J-11B nor the J-15 are copies of the Flanker as their subsystems are wholly unique to that of the latter. Russia doesn't have much say in SAC's decision to export them even if they are angered by the prospect thereof.
 

Deino

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Not much but I would anyway say no. '109' is confirmed ! :eek:
 

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Blitzo

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As clearly explained before, neither the J-11B nor the J-15 are copies of the Flanker as their subsystems are wholly unique to that of the latter. Russia doesn't have much say in SAC's decision to export them even if they are angered by the prospect thereof.

I think we need to give it a rest.

J-11B, J-15, J-16 etc are all based off the flanker airframe, and calling them copies is not far from the truth. Personally I call them "PLA variant flankers" but they are still logically part of the flanker family with aerodynamics and airframes copied from the original design. Sure they might have better subsystems and are likely superior to the original aircraft they were based on, however it is still fair to call them copies.
 

Jeff Head

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As clearly explained before, neither the J-11B nor the J-15 are copies of the Flanker as their subsystems are wholly unique to that of the latter. Russia doesn't have much say in SAC's decision to export them even if they are angered by the prospect thereof.
First, the J-11 (not the J-11B) is a license built SU-27. Shenyang used Russian kits to build about 100 of them before starting the J-11B. The J-11B is the Chinese built, indegenous version of the J-11...and they used the J-11 plans they had gotten for the license builds of the vanilla J-11 to get there. They made as much as possible of it indegenous, and made it work with Chinese weapons and sensros.

As a result, IMHO, the J-11B and then later the J-15 are superior to the Flankers they were based on.

The J-15 is based on the J-11B work that China had done, incorporated with the T-10K-3 SU-33 prototype that China acquired from the Ukraine in 2001 to come up with the J-15.

Make no mistake...those aircraft are based on the earlier Russian aircraft.

If there had never been an SU-27 or a SU-33 for their carrier, then there never would have been a J-11B or J-15. Plain and simple. Some people label them as Chinese "knockoffs," and although you may not like that term.,..that is what they are. A knockoff is simply defined as a copy or imitiation of something. That's what these are. Chinese versions of the original Russian designs.

I personally call them a Chinese improved version of the original. I believe that definition also fits.

The Chineese took those designs, replicated them, and made them better for Chinese use using newer Chinese sensors, using as much strong, lighweight composites in the structure as possible, and integrating them with Chinee weapons systems.
 
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no_name

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Knockoffs don't have to be inferior or of lower quality. But I think many Chinese do not like those phrases because they were often used in context that infers or insinuates the above notions.

I'd prefer to use the word 'derivative', as they are not exact copies but have improved/incorporated with Chinese features. Also it is a neutral word.
 
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Jovian

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"copies", "knockoffs", "imitations", ...

I think not just the Chinese, even some of us here, who are not Chinese but enjoy watching the PLA's modernisation, tend to dislike the use of such terms. A reason maybe the fact that we've seen more then enough instances of such "name calling" resulting in less than favourable outcomes: and derail any preceding friendly intentions.

At the end of the day, we all know one party (not involved in this forum... maybe?) who cared less than nothing on what names other tried to stick on them. Yes, that'll be the PLA. They've approached these with a very practical sense thus far: they needed something that work, they'll find something that'll do the job, within their means.

On a side note, I don't know about you, but the speed at which the PLA (and the Chinese military industry) is coming out with new equipments is really fast to me! Just look at the current Zhuhai Air Show. It is like, someone else have this equipment that the PLA don't have, and the PLA can't buy them, then they'll build it instead. Example: CX-1, Red Arrow.

On the other hand, the equipment the Russian can or are willing to display (appears to me to...) have more or less frozen since the 90's. Do hope to see more new designs from Russia in the not too distance future; I truly enjoy reading about and seeing photos of the former Soviet Union's equipments back then.

Jovian
 

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WS-10A engine !!

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