J-15 carrier fighter thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Actually the vast majority don't. Of the world today I am only sure of Russia testing a subdued roundal on PAK FA. I know for sure Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile,Columbia, the Czech republic Dominican republic, France, Greece, Hungary,Mexico, the Netherlands (2 versions) new Zealand, Norway, Panama, the Philippines, Portuguese, the Saudis, Serbs, Singapore, Slovakia, South Korea, South Africa, Sweden, Taiwan, UAE and both the US (2 versions) and UK(2versions) have subdued roundals. So its not a necessity.

 

[Blitzo]

The point I was making is more that there are no real operational reasons to go for subdued versus coloured roundels.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Well there is one, stealth paints. The coatings on low observable aircraft are not the same as those on conventional 4th Gen as such its likely that the markings, insignia and roundel on a stealth skin have to use a paint impregnated with the same stealth technology's that may limit the color palette. But as J15 is a 4th Gen not a fifth it seems unlikely that the PLA have invested in stealth coatings. At least not yet.

 

[Blitzo]

Well there is one, stealth paints. The coatings on low observable aircraft are not the same as those on conventional 4th Gen as such its likely that the markings, insignia and roundel on a stealth skin have to use a paint impregnated with the same stealth technology's that may limit the color palette. But as J15 is a 4th Gen not a fifth it seems unlikely that the PLA have invested in stealth coatings. At least not yet.

I'm not sure if stealth surfaces really do limit colour palettes.

I believe F-117s were initially in a green/brown camo pattern, and their undersides have even been painted in the scheme of a US flag.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

There were tested Desert and Grey Schemes but they never left the US, and as to the American Flag unit it was only seen once during a photo op so that one doesn't count it might have just been regular paints as that bird was never going to leave the Us in that livery stealth was not a need . well the grey and Desert could have been stealth as Comanche was also shown in a desert livery once. but otherwise it becomes a question of cost. Stealth coatings are not cheap and the wider the pallet the more money to maintain it. so having a monochromatic stealth livery makes sense.

 

[Blitzo]

There were tested Desert and Grey Schemes but they never left the US, and as to the American Flag unit it was only seen once during a photo op so that one doesn't count it might have just been regular paints as that bird was never going to leave the Us in that livery stealth was not a need . well the grey and Desert could have been stealth as Comanche was also shown in a desert livery once. but otherwise it becomes a question of cost. Stealth coatings are not cheap and the wider the pallet the more money to maintain it. so having a monochromatic stealth livery makes sense.

Well, I'd like to see some evidence regarding the cost of RAM coatings varying with colour first, before making judgement.

Personally I think the usual gray/black scheme for stealth aircraft reflects when they are meant to be operated, along with gray/black generally being associated with "stealth" rather than black and gray inherently being more suited to stealth coatings. I mean, we see it as these colours in our visible spectrum of light but there's no reason to think that particular tiny region has some innate benefits in absorbing radar waves.

 

[Deino]

Was this already posted ??

 

[Air Force Brat]

Was this already posted ??

I don't think so, it it may be a photo-op, as the aircraft on left base seems to close and too high to recover right behind one??? I am not sure one would be clear of the arresting gear?

 

[asif iqbal]

Was this already posted ??

Personally I have not seen this before and it has a J15 in the background means atleast two birds are airborne very good that they are developing airborne strategy

A carrier is like a moving air base in the sea right above it it has a moving air space a very complicated set of instructions and not to mention that this whole set of integrated assets are moving very fast around 30 knots so it's vital to develop these kind of movements

On a land based system the control does not move only the aircraft moves on a carrier the whole thing becomes very complex

I think here PLAN is still developing and learning the moves and also formation sailing which adds in another factor

I hope in 2015 we see the first signs of the Liaoning air wing with 6-8 x J15 and some serious escorts and also sailing far from Chinese waters

But it's still 554 which is doing the landing there not a new unit so it could be a old shot unless they are still sticking with the same J15 units as before

 

[Jeff Head]

Was this already posted ??

I have not seen it before. And it has the one doing a fly-by and another in the pattern, which is nice.

But, the issue is this...it is still one of the prototype birds.

I am really waiting to see the production birds landing, taking off, and exercising on the Liaoning. That will tell us that another important step forward has occurred.