J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

[Totoro]

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I apologize if i missed it, but is there a clear version of the image without annotations?

 

[Deino]

I apologize if i missed it, but is there a clear version of the image without annotations?

This one ...

 

[Deino]

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Well, he maybe got indeed a point and surely knows more than others like me, but to admit - and you surely know my obsession to numbers and designations - I find some of the latest designation (like the J-20 family) not really logical or straightforward in the meaning of, it has a certain logic (or maybe I simply don't get it?).

As such, the letter T would be IMO a surprising designation especially even more since the operational J-15T (= aka for me J-15B) is a totally different bird to the J-15T demonstrators and as such a new letter would be justified.

 

[Blitzo]

Well, he maybe got indeed a point and surely knows more than others like me, but to admit - and you surely know my obsession to numbers and designations - I find some of the latest designation (like the J-20 family) not really logical or straightforward in the meaning of, it has a certain logic (or maybe I simply don't get it?).

As such, the letter T would be IMO a surprising designation especially even more since the operational J-15T (= aka for me J-15B) is a totally different bird to the J-15T demonstrators and as such a new letter would be justified.

Many of the Chinese PLA watchers continue to call it J-15T.

We'll know in due time just what the actual name is I suppose.

 

[asif iqbal]

I didn't say that the PLAN will/should withdraw ALL J-15s - Only the J-15/As.

We've seen this one from yesterday, where nearly half of the J-15s in this photo are the newer J-15Bs.

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Hence, it is reasonable to deduct that the J-15B is already under at least some degree of LRIP, if not proper serial production at Shenyang AC. Perhaps sooner rather than later, there will be enough J-15Bs available for deployment across all three current PLAN CVs.

The introduction of J-35s onto the PLAN CVs in the next few years also meant that the need for more units of the J-15 family will become smaller than before (since the number of fighter parking slots onboard CVs are fixed).

So yes, it is reasonable to gradually relegate the J-15/As for training duties on land.

Also, it doesn't really matter if those J-15/As are new-built - They are quite outdated compared to the J-15Bs and the US counterparts (i.e. F/A-18E/Fs) today, let alone having to face the 5th-gens (F-35), 6th-gens (F/A-XX, GCAP) and the system-vs-system aerial warfare in the coming years.

TL; DR - Without some serious MLU onto them (of which the money and efforts associated may be better spent towards building more J-15Bs), the J-15/As just aren't gonna cut it anymore.

no that will not happen

This is a fighter jet not a trainer

same people said CV-16 would be a training carrier

it’s a fully equipped fighting warship

 

[Deino]

Many of the Chinese PLA watchers continue to call it J-15T.

We'll know in due time just what the actual name is I suppose.

I know, and if it is indeed the J-15T than surely I'm the last one who could change this, my point is only - at least it seems to me that way - that the "easy" days, where a new variant of whatever type simply got the next letter in alphabetical order and maybe only special variants or demonstrators got a "off-the standard" designation are most likely over.

If I had to decide something, the J-15 family would look like this for me:
J-15 = prototypes and Batch 01 & 02
J-15A = Batch 03 & 04 (seems they feature some minor changes)
J-15B = upgraded variant
J-15D = EW variant (itself already off, since it should be JD-15)
J-15S = twin-seater
J-15T = catapult test demonstrator

But whatever, it is what it is... just as confusing (and IMO inconsistent) as the J-20 designations

 

[lcloo]

I know, and if it is indeed the J-15T than surely I'm the last one who could change this, my point is only - at least it seems to me that way - that the "easy" days, where a new variant of whatever type simply got the next letter in alphabetical order and maybe only special variants or demonstrators got a "off-the standard" designation are most likely over.

If I had to decide something, the J-15 family would look like this for me:
J-15 = prototypes and Batch 01 & 02
J-15A = Batch 03 & 04 (seems they feature some minor changes)
J-15B = upgraded variant
J-15D = EW variant (itself already off, since it should be JD-15)
J-15S = twin-seater
J-15T = catapult test demonstrator

But whatever, it is what it is... just as confusing (and IMO inconsistent) as the J-20 designations

Against normal western practices of alpha numeric sequencing suffix in aircraft variants designations, China is adopting one that is a combination of apha-pinyin designation on suffix and prefix.

In US we have F-6A/B/C/D/E etc
In UK we have mark 1, mark 2, mk3, mk4, mk5 etc

In China, the allocation of designation is a bit complicated. Besides the normal A/B/C etc, use of initial letter of pinyin Chinese is often seen. J for 舰载机 Jiang 舰 (Ship) example Z20J. Here Z and J are initial leter of Chinese pinyin letters.

Then there is J11BH, and J11BHS where J, H, S are initial letter of Chineses pinyin for Fighter, Sea and Two (or pair); while B is aphabet sequencing.

Therefore until affirmative confirmation from PLAN, I think we can temporaly accept both J15B or J15T. T is for Tan (弹) = catapult.

 

[Deino]

Against normal western practices of alpha numeric sequencing suffix in aircraft variants designations, China is adopting one that is a combination of apha-pinyin designation on suffix and prefix.

In US we have F-6A/B/C/D/E etc
In UK we have mark 1, mark 2, mk3, mk4, mk5 etc

In China, the allocation of designation is a bit complicated. Besides the normal A/B/C etc, use of initial letter of pinyin Chinese is often seen. J for 舰载机 Jiang 舰 (Ship) example Z20J. Here Z and J are initial leter of Chinese pinyin letters.

Then there is J11BH, and J11BHS where J, H, S are initial letter of Chineses pinyin for Fighter, Sea and Two (or pair); while B is aphabet sequencing.

Therefore until affirmative confirmation from PLAN, I think we can temporaly accept both J15B or J15T. T is for Tan (弹) = catapult.

I know, but if I remember correctly, there was a time (J-7/J-8) when it was a more sequential system. Today You are correct, often a certain "users-term" especially the H and J is added, so indeed the T may not be illogical.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

no that will not happen

This is a fighter jet not a trainer

same people said CV-16 would be a training carrier

it’s a fully equipped fighting warship

There are well over 100 J-15s in existence today. And China's STOBAR twins have a (normal) combined carrying capacity of ~50 J-15s.

Besides, these photographs certainly aren't taken onboard any aircraft carrier.

 

[9615]

Officially unveil J15T without mentioning these are J15Ts. There will be another unveiling of J15T that annouces this is J15T, a new catapult capable variant of J15 fighter with upgraded radar and more.