J-15 carrier fighter thread

coolgod

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Okay, and do we think it is sufficiently official for us to use that article as a way to "call it" for confirming the J-15B designation?

Keeping in mind the use of the designation in the writeup is adjacent to describing foreign/western media's reporting of it which opens the possibility that they are using a term that has circulated on the English language side.
军事专家张军社告诉谭主:

现代战斗机的分代在世界上有两种标准,比较主流的是欧美标准,按照这一标准,战斗机目前发展到了四代。

在欧美标准中,三代机的主要特征是应用电传系统具有超视距打击能力。歼-15B型战斗机,具备“三代半”的特征。该型舰载机具备更强的超视距打击能力。

I think your interpretation would be ridiculed as very misleading from 玉渊潭天 if it turned out the official designation is J-15T later. 玉渊潭天 is very authoritative, usually first hand info, the military expert
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seems to know what he's talking about.
 

dxq4412

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Okay, and do we think it is sufficiently official for us to use that article as a way to "call it" for confirming the J-15B designation?

Keeping in mind the use of the designation in the writeup is adjacent to describing foreign/western media's reporting of it which opens the possibility that they are using a term that has circulated on the English language side.

No, this article cannot be used as official confirmation evidence. Although Yuyuantan Tian is an official media account, the content in the article clearly means "Some people call it J-15B, I don't admit or deny it, let's just call it that" in Chinese context.
 

Blitzo

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I think your interpretation would be ridiculed as very misleading from 玉渊潭天 if it turned out the official designation is J-15T later. 玉渊潭天 is very authoritative, usually first hand info, the military expert
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seems to know what he's talking about.

Wait, what do you think my "interpretation" is?
Because I am saying that the evidence shown does not meet the threshold for official confirmation that the actual designation is J-15B.


No, this article cannot be used as official confirmation evidence. Although Yuyuantan Tian is an official media account, the content in the article clearly means "Some people call it J-15B, I don't admit or deny it, let's just call it that" in Chinese context.

I agree, I believe it does not meet the threshold of official confirmation as well.
 

coolgod

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Wait, what do you think my "interpretation" is?
Because I am saying that the evidence shown does not meet the threshold for official confirmation that the actual designation is J-15B.

Second, the part being quoted sounds like the J-15B designation is being stated here by the "expert" due to it being used in western media (which ironically may have been driven by our own use of the designation J-15B including in social media and in some publications including some of my diplomat articles before), but it doesn't seem like a fully official designation yet.
Your quote implies there is an interpretation such that the term "J-15B" being used refers to the name western media uses and not its official designation. I'm saying that interpretation if true would make that 玉渊潭天 article misleading since J-15B isn't in quotations where as “三代半” is in quotations, and J-15B is also in a separate sentence from 欧美标准.

There is nothing wrong with waiting for more usage of the term J-15B from official sources before confirming the name, but I think many ppl who read that article the first time just assumed J-15B was the official designation.

Also 玉渊潭天 isn't a single reporter, it is CCTV's new blog based media brand.
 
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Blitzo

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Your quote implies there is an interpretation such that the term "J-15B" being used refers to the name western media uses and not its official designation. I'm saying that interpretation if true would make that 玉渊潭天 article misleading since J-15B isn't in quotations where as “三代半” is in quotations, and J-15B is also in a separate sentence from 欧美标准.

There is nothing wrong with waiting for more usage of the term J-15B from official sources before confirming the name, but I think many ppl who read that article the first time just assumed J-15B was the official designation.

Also 玉渊潭天 isn't a single reporter, it is CCTV's new blog based media brand.

Okay, I understand what you mean.

So, I'm saying the entire part of that section (both quoted and unquoted) seems non-confirmatory wrt the name I'll paste the whole part below:

除了舰艇,谭主注意到,美媒还特别关注到,画面上出现了歼-15B型战斗机。

军事专家张军社告诉谭主:
现代战斗机的分代在世界上有两种标准,比较主流的是欧美标准,按照这一标准,战斗机目前发展到了四代。
在欧美标准中,三代机的主要特征是应用电传系统具有超视距打击能力。歼-15B型战斗机,具备“三代半”的特征。该型舰载机具备更强的超视距打击能力。


The part which I've italiciazed is from Zhang, talking about the characteristics of generations, and how J-15B is a "third and a half" (aka 4.5th) generation fighter.
Fine, but that part isn't the reason why I suspect/wonder if the "J-15B" name is being used by 玉渊谭天 as derived from western/foreign media.

Instead, the reason why I think it is due to the opening sentence of that section, here: 除了舰艇,谭主注意到,美媒还特别关注到,画面上出现了歼-15B型战斗机。


My suspicion/fear, is that the writer of this article noted that foreign/English language media has been covering the new J-15 variant and dubbed it as J-15B, and so they went along with calling it J-15B for purposes of the article without definitively confirming with what it actually is, and then the asked Zhang for comments using the same J-15B name, and Zhang went along with it.


If they had not mentioned foreign media in any capacity, and had just straight up written "the new fighter, J-15B, is our navy's new type of carrier based fighter" or something like that, I would've considered that a few notches more convincing.
But as it is, I consider it unhelpful and just adding to the confusion due to being indecisive.
 

AndrewS

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It is possible that STOBAR is not as terrible as people (mostly western catobar fans) would make it out to be for the A2A load out that typical J-15 sorties are flown at. There is also the single midship launch position that they can use to get larger weight like the A2A+Anti-ship load.

If you do the thrust/mass/speed calculation, a fully loaded J-15 should be able to launch from the full length launch position on a STOBAR carrier
 

TK3600

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Here are some official media accounts that you can follow in Weibo or Weixin or Douyin:

玉渊潭天 Yuyuantan Tian: CCTV News

陶然笔记 Taoran Notes: Economic Daily

朝阳少侠 Chaoyang Shaoxia: Ministry of Foreign Affairs

侠客岛 Xiaoke Island: People's Daily/Overseas Edition Editorial Department of People's Daily

补壹刀 Bu Yidao: People's Daily/Global Times

枢密院十号 Shumiyuan No.10: People's Daily/Global Times

长安街知事 Chang'an Street News: Beijing Daily

政知见 Politics Insight: Beijing Youth Daily

团结湖参考 Tuanjiehu Reference: Beijing Youth Daily

钧正平 Junzhengping (homophonic for 军正评): Official Media of the Political Department of the People's Liberation Army

青蜂侠 Bee Video: China Youth Network

市说新语 Market Talk: State Administration for Market Regulation
This is some interesting names to dodge unwanted attention.
 
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