J-10 Thread IV

[siegecrossbow]

From my info 7 ... six in formation and a 7th for filming

Probably J-10S did the filming. They have a copilot who can take the video.

 

[aahyan]

Found an interesting Video...

 

[siegecrossbow]

Found an interesting Video...

This is from last year.

 

[taxiya]

AESA radars are very different from one another, can be said in different generations. Remember China is the first country to put full digital AESA (digital beamforming) in operation, namely KJ-500 in 2015, that is 8 years ago. J-10C having it wont surprises me.

A full digital AESA is better than analog beamforming AESA in:

1. Higher SINR, seeing further at the same input power, or more powerful jamming at the same range.
2. Easely and quickly jump frequency, difficult for opponent to notice.
3. More beams simutaniously, for example, one beam jamming the oponent aircraft, the other jamming the incoming missile, the third providing midcourse guidance to own missile while maneuvering.
4. Lower side lobe, more energy to the target, once again longer range with equal input power. Or equal range with lower power consumption, defeating EF2000's advantage of twin engine setup.
5. Higher accuracy in certain angle.
6. It is cheaper in full life cycle.

So if J-10C is equiped with full digital AESA (very likely), it has a clear advantage over EF2000 (even the AESA veriant) in BVR. It can discover and lock on first, no kinetic advantage is enough to shake off the stare of radar beams.

 

[_killuminati_]

We don't know how the BVR engagements where done, situational leverage can swing the result one side or the other, pilots training too. Quite interesting result and not shamefull for the Eurofighter too.

QAF barely has any real-world experience. PAF otoh is 24/7 on duty on a hostile border, has fought numerous wars, loads of aerial kills and losses to learn from.

 

[Gloire_bb]

QAF barely has any real-world experience. PAF otoh is 24/7 on duty on a hostile border, has fought numerous wars, loads of aerial kills and losses to learn from.

But it's DCA though(and training iirc is paid for in the contract), so this also is a fault of the package provider.

 

[plawolf]

QAF barely has any real-world experience. PAF otoh is 24/7 on duty on a hostile border, has fought numerous wars, loads of aerial kills and losses to learn from.

You do realise ex or even active duty PAF pilots fly a lot of the rich gulf states’ fighters for them don’t you?

 

[siegecrossbow]

You do realise ex or even active duty PAF pilots fly a lot of the rich gulf states’ fighters for them don’t you?

Jai Hinds — ex/active duty PAF pilots flying QAF Typhoons lost to J-10CP on purpose to make PAF junk assets look good.

 

[_killuminati_]

You do realise ex or even active duty PAF pilots fly a lot of the rich gulf states’ fighters for them don’t you?

Yes. And?

 

[taxiya]

Yes. And?

QAF barely has any real-world experience. PAF otoh is 24/7 on duty on a hostile border, has fought numerous wars, loads of aerial kills and losses to learn from.

Those are QAF pilots with Pakistani citizenship. They are experienced former PAF pilots, or even active PAF, but they serve QAF on contract in active duty. This is a wellknown practice among gulf countries for decades. So large number of QAF pilots are experienced.