Are these people so incompetent they don't know the thrust of a plane they operate?
No, those who operate that type know quite well the thrust, but those who prepare such placards and brochures are not the same like those who. Operate them.
Are these people so incompetent they don't know the thrust of a plane they operate?
As I said to Deino in other forum, Patch confirmed this. Maybe the real number could be slightly more or less than that. But I think this figure is realistic and we should accept it as such.
Patchwork_Chimera?Indeed, thanks for your kind reply, but please help me a moment, who's "Patch"?
sorry, Patch = Patchwork_Chimera. I was in your boat and considered WS-10B for J-10Cs to be around 137kN, but Patch said that WS-10B is a 145kN class engine right now and that WS-10C is almost at the level they originally wanted WS-15 to be. IIRC, the original WS-15 was expected to be around 150 kN. Hence, WS-15 development is taking a little longer time and will come out with higher capability.Indeed, thanks for your kind reply, but please help me a moment, who's "Patch"?
By the way - like my reply in that mentioned other forum - I think it is not underestimating them, but putting them within a realistic frame.
But again, I won't complain if I am wrong ...
So, in summary, what are these "realistic" thrust figures for the different variants?
WS-10 (original test specimen)
WS-10A (early serial model on J-11B/BS)
WS-10B (current serial model on J-10C/J-16)
WS-10C (current serial model on J-20A)
PS: I need to apologise ... I opened indeed an old file but after checking the latest info I compiled to the new Flanker book I have the following likely / estimated performances:
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Note: Due to the fact that different values are sometimes given for certain specifications, even by reputable sources, two values are listed in some cases.
There was literally an article published about 12% improvement in thrust from Ws-10A for variant unknown (most likely ws-10b).
Yall just find it unbelievable because it's chinese.
As I said to Deino in other forum, Patch confirmed this. Maybe the real number could be slightly more or less than that. But I think this figure is realistic and we should accept it as such.
I don't really care who those people are. I think caution over what PAF posts is wise, but based on what I'm hearing, I'd think the number in this case to be reflective of actual performance.But 萌虎鲸 and 水獭军一般兵 on weibo both think that 145kN is an unreliable data.
I'm not sure if "powerful enough for J-20" - which was also valid for the AL-31FN, can be translated into "maximum thrust reached at 143kB".
As such I would be indeed interested, if @Blitzo confirms 143kN for the WS-10B and the J-10C!?