J-10 Thread IV

[Hendrik_2000]

In end of 80s, A high-level delegation that j-10 chief designer with it, visited of lavi project. In 2008 Jean's website Reported Israel transfer many technology of lavi project radar and avionics to china. Like pl-8 missile or harpy uav.
And now some claim that part of j-10 avionics Provided by elbit system and some USA company

About the Combat radius. Each aircraft have Specified Combat radius for example basic version of jas-39 combat radius 800km whereas smaller than mig-29 and j-10A and carry the short fuel .

Do you think just by visiting Lavi project you can transferred the design telepathically ? What a BS
Israel is so dependent on yearly grant of 5 billion US $ or even more billion dollar. Do you think she would risk all of those money by giving the secret of Lavi to China
You must be dreaming.

I guess you must be someone who can't accept or acknowledge China achievement. I know most people from China southern neigbor has this mentality

J 10 is the brain child of Dr Song Wenzhong and further development of failed J 9 that precede Lavi . It take china 18 years to develop and involving hundred of institution and university!
It is disingenuous to depreciate their achievement. Just because it resemble doesn't mean it is copy every G4 fighter look similar to each other Sweden JAS 39 Grippen has also delta wing and canard does it mean a copy of Lavi. BTW Lavi never entered production It is still in prototype stages
J 10 represent breakthrough. It s the first fighter with flybywire technology and it is totally home grown. We even know the chief designer Yang Wei who is now take the charge of J 20 design

Development was delegated to the 611 Institute, also known as the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute and

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was nominated as the chief designer, as he had previously been the chief designer of the

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. The aircraft was initially designed as a specialized fighter, but later became a multirole aircraft capable of both

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and

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missions.

The J-10 resembles the

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The general designer

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said that J-10 was a development of the indigenous J-9 which preceded the Lavi.

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This was echoed by a PLAAF's major Zhang Weigang in a 2012 interview.

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[Deino]

This seems to confirm the 21. Division also as a J-10B unit:

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If I'm not very much off, these serials look like 30x2x !

Deino

 

[Ariana]

My dear friend
I am Saying you سلام(Hi) from IRAN.
here in iran, we have one idol, that basic design and many avionics(special FBW and core avionics microprocessor of j-10 come from ISRAEL, Even now and after the about 20 year's), public opinion Rely to Jean's and other report claim that core of j-10 avionics Provided by Israeli company and for this reason trend to the more expensive Russian products like Su-30SME

About the lavi, i am study all things from J-9 project in shenyang and later Chengdu and cancellation in 1980(even j-13 project) but lavi project arrived to Prototype and 2 aircraft Completed and The test flight was conducted, it mean's design step completed, but US Pressure and Higher cost of F-16, cause the cancellation the project, And the cancellation of the project is good reason to sell the technologies used in other countries And to obtain money.
Spacial avionics.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

My dear friend
I am Saying you سلام(Hi) from IRAN.
here in iran, we have one idol, that basic design and many avionics(special FBW and core avionics microprocessor of j-10 come from ISRAEL, Even now and after the about 20 year's), public opinion Rely to Jean's and other report claim that core of j-10 avionics Provided by Israeli company and for this reason trend to the more expensive Russian products like Su-30SME

About the lavi, i am study all things from J-9 project in shenyang and later Chengdu and cancellation in 1980(even j-13 project) but lavi project arrived to Prototype and 2 aircraft Completed and The test flight was conducted, it mean's design step completed, but US Pressure and Higher cost of F-16, cause the cancellation the project, And the cancellation of the project is good reason to sell the technologies used in other countries And to obtain money.
Spacial avionics.

I think you are poorly informed person who doesn't even think logically and too lazy to even bother to check with worldwide web
FYI China has highly developed electronic industry and has been for a long time
China built the fastest supercomputer in the world with their own microprocessor Shanwei, Longsoon, Goldson

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The idea that Israel supplied china with microprocessor is preposterous as any. What happened if the Israel add the kill switch in those processor or back door ?Will it not make those avionic useless?

China has spend the considerable effort after the break with Soviet Union to be independent in their armament industry
Now this smart guy think China import microprocessor
For your information at one time China want to get AEW Phalcon from Israel but under pressure from US Israel cancelled the deal. Will China trust israel again

Lavi was cancelled because the Israeli just doesn't have money to produce it . Doing so will suck the budget from other much more urgent requirement .
Lavi is not much better performance wise than F 16 block 40
It is a myth that US killed the project. It the Israeli themselves that killed the project

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Why do is when they can easily get it for free from the US. Beside the engine is PW1120 an american engine and so the rest of flybywire and other important technology. It is prestigious project that look for need . No wonder it is killed
Israeli would not dare to give that US technology because she is tethered to US and owe gratitude to US help during Yom kippur war Were it not for Nixon help there will be no Israel

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

I cant see the picture in Chrome as well as Firfox. Can someone post other links?

Climb baby climb!!......turn baby turn!!!....fan boy took a continuous motion of a J-10B in flight..

 

[Ariana]

I think you are poorly informed person who doesn't even think logically and too lazy to even bother to check with worldwide web
FYI China has highly developed electronic industry and has been for a long time
China built the fastest supercomputer in the world with their own microprocessor Shanwei, Longsoon, Goldson

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The idea that Israel supplied china with microprocessor is preposterous as any. What happened if the Israel add the kill switch in those processor or back door ?Will it not make those avionic useless?

China has spend the considerable effort after the break with Soviet Union to be independent in their armament industry
Now this smart guy think China import microprocessor
For your information at one time China want to get AEW Phalcon from Israel but under pressure from US Israel cancelled the deal. Will China trust israel again

Lavi was cancelled because the Israeli just doesn't have money to produce it . Doing so will suck the budget from other much more urgent requirement .
Lavi is not much better performance wise than F 16 block 40
It is a myth that US killed the project. It the Israeli themselves that killed the project

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Why do is when they can easily get it for free from the US. Beside the engine is PW1120 an american engine and so the rest of flybywire and other important technology. It is prestigious project that look for need . No wonder it is killed
Israeli would not dare to give that US technology because she is tethered to US and owe gratitude to US help during Yom kippur war Were it not for Nixon help there will be no Israel

My dear friend, I have studied enough,You made propaganda ! China in 80s and 90s not have achievement to produce FWB for delta-canard-layout(in 80 and 90s) and need a assistance, and who is better from one canceled project that look like the j-10 !
About the back door, this mean's now russia sell Su-27 or 30 to china Placed back door! Or china Placed back door in Pakistani Thunder, Or US Placed back door in all product sell in world wide! this is very lazy !
You speak about Phalcon project, but not speak about PL-8 AAM Or HARPY UAV. Israeli have very good military relationship with China in 80s and 90s.And The possibility of cooperation in the J-10 avionics unit's

 

[coolieno99]

My dear friend, I have studied enough,You made propaganda ! China in 80s and 90s not have achievement to produce FWB for delta-canard-layout(in 80 and 90s) and need a assistance, and who is better from one canceled project that look like the j-10 !
About the back door, this mean's now russia sell Su-27 or 30 to china Placed back door! Or china Placed back door in Pakistani Thunder, Or US Placed back door in all product sell in world wide! this is very lazy !
You speak about Phalcon project, but not speak about PL-8 AAM Or HARPY UAV. Israeli have very good military relationship with China in 80s and 90s.And The possibility of cooperation in the J-10 avionics unit's

This is getting to be a pointless academic exercise.
Today the Lavi is nothing more than an exhibit at an aircraft museum.

While the J-10 is a flying operational aircraft:

 

[b787]

My dear friend, I have studied enough,You made propaganda ! China in 80s and 90s not have achievement to produce FWB for delta-canard-layout(in 80 and 90s) and need a assistance, and who is better from one canceled project that look like the j-10 !
About the back door, this mean's now russia sell Su-27 or 30 to china Placed back door! Or china Placed back door in Pakistani Thunder, Or US Placed back door in all product sell in world wide! this is very lazy !
You speak about Phalcon project, but not speak about PL-8 AAM Or HARPY UAV. Israeli have very good military relationship with China in 80s and 90s.And The possibility of cooperation in the J-10 avionics unit's

The J-10 chief designer visited IAI Lavi, the short person in brown suit is J-10 Chief designer, J-10 has direct Lavi ancestry
See he is the same guy in front of the model and the same guy in brown suit in front of the Lavi

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The original J-10 mock up, it was a Lavi

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[vesicles]

Why are we still talking about this? Who cares where the J-10 got its inspiration? It's a Chinese program and the Chinese made it into a successful development.

German scientists helped kick start the American missile, aerospace and nuclear programs. They are still American programs. The US government got all the credit. And rightly so! They were and still are American programs.

The same goes with the Chinese programs. The Israeli Lavi fell apart but the J-10 thrives. What does that say about the Chinese competency?

No matter who helped and who has been involved, the J-10 is still a 100% Chinese plane, indigenously designed and manufactured. What is even more important is that the Chinese scientists and engineers own ("own" means completely digested and understood) the technology behind the J-10 and have applied and elevated technologies to design and manufacture their next level plane: the J-20. And the new technologies will then be applied to design and manufacture the next gen fighters. The long term goal is to elevate the Chinese military technology to world-leading level. And the J-10 is a key step in that quest. No one can take that away, no matter what anyone says.

With that said, let's be happy for the Chinese accomplishments and wish them even more success.

 

[A.Man]

China, according to this report, induced J-10B in 2014

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