J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Chaminuka]

I have a question about the J-10's weapon payload.

Two similar fighters, the F-16C and J-10 both have similar dimensions (i.e: max take off weights, empty weights, and engine thrust), but the F-16's payload is 7700Kg, while the J-10's is 4500Kg. Why is there such a big difference in payload while they have relatively similar proportions to each other?

(I got these numbers from wikipedia btw. I suppose the real question I'm asking is is anyone knows the real payload of the J-10, or if 4500Kg is the real payload)

As you suggested, maybe the numbers we are working with are wrong ... ... or the F-16 is working with superior materials that have a lot high strength for their weight. If fact we know the F-16 has a lot more composites, so that should go some way explaining the defference.

 

[tphuang]

I have a question about the J-10's weapon payload.

Two similar fighters, the F-16C and J-10 both have similar dimensions (i.e: max take off weights, empty weights, and engine thrust), but the F-16's payload is 7700Kg, while the J-10's is 4500Kg. Why is there such a big difference in payload while they have relatively similar proportions to each other?

(I got these numbers from wikipedia btw. I suppose the real question I'm asking is is anyone knows the real payload of the J-10, or if 4500Kg is the real payload)

nobody knows the real payload or the real take-off or the real empty weight of J-10 outside of a few people in PLA that have classified info.

 

[Londo Molari]

F-16's engine probably has more thrust, but given J-10's delta wing design, I would expect the payload to be higher than F-16.

Those wiki figures are 100% wrong.

 

[King_Comm]

F-16's engine probably has more thrust, but given J-10's delta wing design, I would expect the payload to be higher than F-16.

Those wiki figures are 100% wrong.

Not really, delta wings will have higher takeoff and landing speed, a very large pay load maybe dangerous during takeoff and landing.

 

[nemo]

Not really, delta wings will have higher takeoff and landing speed, a very large pay load maybe dangerous during takeoff and landing.

But J-10 is a canard -- which is known for short takeoff distance due to increased frontal lift.

 

[maxx]

But J-10 is a canard -- which is known for short takeoff distance due to increased frontal lift.

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, so it might produce some lift but not significant enough.

 

[Infra_Man99]

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See the above video to see a cool, fast takeoff by a J-10. It has been posted in this thread before.

I don't think anyone here has factual information about the J-10A's takeoff and landing performance graphs, diagrams, charts, etc. IMHO, judging the J-10A's abilities or any thing's capabilities by making broad statements is ridiculous. Please provide proof, and proof is NOT making a superficial statement and then providing a link with more superficial statements.

 

[maxx]

Is that a response to me? If so yes the take off is fast but it is not loaded. If it was, it would take longer time and more runway to take off. It is true that delta wing generate less lift at low speed than more forward swept wing.

Though, I suppose J-10's larger wing area compare to F-16 might help reduce takeoff time and runway need.

 

[tphuang]

Let's just say that J-10's takeoff distance was short enough that it was quite capable of becoming a naval fighter even on non-catbar carrier. It wasn't chosen for other reasons.

 

[Lion]

Is that a response to me? If so yes the take off is fast but it is not loaded. If it was, it would take longer time and more runway to take off. It is true that delta wing generate less lift at low speed than more forward swept wing.

Though, I suppose J-10's larger wing area compare to F-16 might help reduce takeoff time and runway need.

Even a F-16 with empty load can't do that. And the J-10 that is doing that steep veritcal climb has not even fully elevate its canard. In fact, it just angle the canard abit to achieved that steep take off.