J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)
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Exactly ... I can't think that the current J-10B is already for export and even the J-10A won't come cheap ! ... IMO the best - probably the ONLY option Argentina currently has is the FC-1 and IMO that's not the worst case.
I don't see why Argentina can't afford J-10A, but would be able to afford JF-17. JF-17 is probably going for at least $20 million a pop right now whereas J-10A would be $30 million. Of course, there would be additional cost for spares and missiles that would add up the cost, but to me that's very cheap compared to a lot of the other options out there.
in a 2011 interview, Pakistani minister of defence said "jf17 cost 20 to 25 million dollars, as compared to f16's 80 million" He was clearly citing how much each fighter costs PAF. A fighter whose development Pakistan paid for and must be getting it at near production cost price, compared to a foreign plane where Pakistan is also paying Lockheed Martin some extra profit.
Having that in mind, plus the fact it's now 4 years later, an export fc1 is nowadays probably going to cost 25-35 million, in my opinion. That'd equal more or less the cost for just the aircraft. Various startup packages like offerd in the West where training and first batch of spares and simulators are thrown it might raise that by several more million.
Having that in mind, plus the fact it's now 4 years later, an export fc1 is nowadays probably going to cost 25-35 million, in my opinion. That'd equal more or less the cost for just the aircraft. Various startup packages like offerd in the West where training and first batch of spares and simulators are thrown it might raise that by several more million.
manqiangrexue
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I think it would depend on how sophisticated they wanted the aircraft. I remember that a bare-bones FC-1 was only about $15 million. If they wanted block II upgrades and some Argentinian version, it might run up to a $30 million package but in general, with comparable avionics upgrades, FC-1 can't be of comparable price to the J-10 or there wouldn't be a point in making the FC-1 in the first place. Plus, Pak and China really wanna get some FC-1 sales so the price should be nice, whereas J-10B has got to be $45-50 million I'm thinking, and China's not really trying to sell it since the PLAAF needs have yet to be met.
I remember reading a while ago from one of the big shrimps that J-15 costs 300 million RMB each, so around $45 million. Using that and how J-10A is typically mentioned as < 200 million RMB each, I don't think J-10B will be that much. Of course, these are all fly away costs, so adding spares, missiles, training rounds and such will add to the cost. Remember, when the original news of J-10 (FC-20) export deal to PAF came out, it was only quoted as $37.5 million. And that was a customized version (meaning additional dollars for development) for pakistan
manqiangrexue
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But was $37.5 million for FC-20 based on J-10A or J-10B? I thought that deal was so old, there wasn't a J-10B yet at the time. If a J-15 is $45 mill fly-away, I'd say that a foreign purchase price for J-10B should be just about that. Also, China has a very nice relationship with Pakistan.
Argentine government sign a MOU related to the purchase of 24 "customized" Gripen NG built by Embraer (under license) with delivery date from 2025.
I suppose (and really wish...) that if they are willing to pay for a Gripen NG around 80/100M USDollars, no doubt they can pay half that price right now for any "good" version of J-10, still J-10B.
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The problem is IMO - and sorry for being off-topic - that the Gripen contains so much US and UK parts that it won't ever receive an export license .... as such this MOU is more or less a political statement but it won't deliver any fighter to the FAA.
But now back to the J-10 ... and by the way on Saturday I have my birthday ... as such, just give me a number ... 5 digits on a J-10B, not more !
Deino
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100% agree with your concerns about the involvement of UK and USA in the Gripen NG.
I also think that buying, even announced officially, never will exceed the phase of MOU.
By the way.
I wish you a very happy birthday !!!
Although I must apologize for not understanding the rest of the sentence...
Best regards
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