J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Blitzo]

I've always wondered about actual proof that PLANAF's JH7 fleet is integratd with anyhting else other than antiship missiles. Similarly, PLAAF's JH7 fleet may not be integrated with anything useful for antishipping missions. Do we have images that suggest otherwise?

We've seen them with ARMs, KD-88s, LGBs, and of course various types of unguided weapons in addition to YJ-83Ks. I imagine we'll see them with YJ-12s soon.

The most important weapon is KD-88s I think, as it is a stand off weapon with multiple types of guidance modes.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Dark Sword is a tactical strike drone concept, it is too small for strategic strike missions. There are rumours that China is developing a B2 like stealth flying wing strategic bomber, but is unclear at this stage how solid those rumours are.

If I'm a betting man I would wager than China definitely has a new type of long range bomber in the works. The only question is how far along is it.

 

[Jeff Head]

H-6 is like a downgraded version of B-52 and JH-7, the B-1. Compared to their counterpart they are for offense as a credible defense rather than pure offense.

China need something that fills the role of B-2.

Sorry for off topic. But...

I can see a comparison of the J-6 and the B-52, similar time frame, simliar profile...although the B-52 still is and always has been far, far more capable.

Howerver, IMHO, there is no comparison between the JH-7 and the B-1B. The B-1B is a much heavier bomber, with so much more capability that the two are not even in the same league.

Payload: B-1B - 120,000 lbs, JH-7 - 20,000 lbs.
Combat Radius: B1-B - 3,500 miles, JH-7 - 1,000 miles.
Hardpoints/Weight: B-1B 5/50,000 lbs, JH-7 9/20,000 lbs.
Bomb Bays/Weight: B-1B - 3/74,000 lbs, JH-7 - None.

IMHO, it would be more apt to say that a JH-7 is closer to a FB-111 in terms of profile and mission.

But, that's just my opinion.

End Off Topic.

 

[Blitzo]

Agreed. JH-7 fills a role akin to F-111, and F-15E to an extent (lacking the a2a capability of course)

 

[Skywatcher]

Agreed. JH-7 fills a role akin to F-111, and F-15E to an extent (lacking the a2a capability of course)

The JH-7 can carry PL-5s for self defense I think. You could theoretically modify it to fire BVRAAMs, but I can't really think of any reason to do so that would justify all that much trouble.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The JH-7 can carry PL-5s for self defense I think. You could theoretically modify it to fire BVRAAMs, but I can't really think of any reason to do so that would justify all that much trouble.

F-111 crew during the Gulf War routinely removed the guns/AA missiles from their planes. The weight is more trouble than its worth.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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[Totoro]

We've seen them with ARMs, KD-88s, LGBs, and of course various types of unguided weapons in addition to YJ-83Ks. I imagine we'll see them with YJ-12s soon.

The most important weapon is KD-88s I think, as it is a stand off weapon with multiple types of guidance modes.

Seriosly? Where are all those images? I've just spent half an hour looking through various images of JH7, both here and on CDF, and i've managed to find just a single image kinda supporting that claim.

It was on page 68 of this thread here, a blurry, grainy image of PLANAF JH7 dropping something that looks like it could've been either yj83k or kd88. Didn't look like it had yellow marks like kd88 usually do, but it may've been too blurry for that. On the other hand, there does seem to be a pod hanging underneath that JH7 which looks a lot like the datalink pod that PLAAf uses for their JH7. But again, it's really too blurry to be sure.

ALL other images i saw of LGB or KD88 either didn't feature visible markings so one can't be sure if its PLAAF or PLANAF plane or were visibly marked as PLAAF's plane, not PLANAF's. Likewise with yj83k, every image of *identifiable* jh7 with that missile was always PLANAF's plane.

 

[SinoSoldier]

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Seriosly? Where are all those images? I've just spent half an hour looking through various images of JH7, both here and on CDF, and i've managed to find just a single image kinda supporting that claim.

It was on page 68 of this thread here, a blurry, grainy image of PLANAF JH7 dropping something that looks like it could've been either yj83k or kd88. Didn't look like it had yellow marks like kd88 usually do, but it may've been too blurry for that. On the other hand, there does seem to be a pod hanging underneath that JH7 which looks a lot like the datalink pod that PLAAf uses for their JH7. But again, it's really too blurry to be sure.

ALL other images i saw of LGB or KD88 either didn't feature visible markings so one can't be sure if its PLAAF or PLANAF plane or were visibly marked as PLAAF's plane, not PLANAF's. Likewise with yj83k, every image of *identifiable* jh7 with that missile was always PLANAF's plane.

 

[Blitzo]

Seriosly? Where are all those images? I've just spent half an hour looking through various images of JH7, both here and on CDF, and i've managed to find just a single image kinda supporting that claim.

It was on page 68 of this thread here, a blurry, grainy image of PLANAF JH7 dropping something that looks like it could've been either yj83k or kd88. Didn't look like it had yellow marks like kd88 usually do, but it may've been too blurry for that. On the other hand, there does seem to be a pod hanging underneath that JH7 which looks a lot like the datalink pod that PLAAf uses for their JH7. But again, it's really too blurry to be sure.

ALL other images i saw of LGB or KD88 either didn't feature visible markings so one can't be sure if its PLAAF or PLANAF plane or were visibly marked as PLAAF's plane, not PLANAF's. Likewise with yj83k, every image of *identifiable* jh7 with that missile was always PLANAF's plane.

In addition to sinosoldier's pictures...

Kh-31/YJ-91:

ARM KD-88 (rarer than tv homing it appears)

IIR KD-88

And the first couple of pages of the current active CDF thread show numerous pictures of JH-7/A carrying iterations of KD-88, as well as with LGBs laid out in front of them (they appear to train with LGBs less than KD-88s and YJ-83Ks), and of course, loaded with dumb bombs, rockets, PL-8 etc.


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Edit, ah my apologies -- I see the detail regarding "PLANAF only equipped for AShM" and "PLAAF unequipped for AShM" only now. In that regard I do not have an answer. I thought you were claiming JH-7/A was only equipped for AShM, which I thought was a very odd statement.