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That is not the same as removing canard. Your description of what EADS is doing is similar to what China has done on the J-20, so China is actually in leading position now.
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That is not the same as removing canard. Your description of what EADS is doing is similar to what China has done on the J-20, so China is actually in leading position now.
During the Red Arrow Training, on the 6th day, Chengdu Airforce shoot down "enemy" 23 planes without a single lose.
成空对抗演习打了胜仗没庆功
战斗力在“检讨反思”中成长
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2013-08-12 04:05 来源：中国军网——解放军报
中国军网据解放军报讯 特约记者胡晓宇报道：8月6日上午，一场历时半个月的对抗演习“复盘”，随着体系对抗检讨反思会的召开尘埃落定。会上，刚从大漠演兵场归建的成空指挥班子成员，不讲成绩，不摆功劳，一针见血讲不足、析因果，开诚布公论得失、谈对策。
与官兵一起在大漠鏖战51天的成空副司令员韩胜延介绍，部队归建半个月来，没有人组织庆功，都把精力用在“复盘”上，逐个环节分析得失。
有官兵反诘：“这次全时域全要素体系对抗演习，按照战斗力标准和作战难度，我们也算打了个胜仗。本应该庆功，为什么还要自己跟自己过不去？”
“按以往的战斗力标准过得去，按现在的标准就过不去。”成空领导旗帜鲜明地指出，实战化对抗必须以战斗力这把唯一的尺子来衡量，以打赢未来战争要求找差距。
一时间，成空部队的检讨反思气氛，与逼人的酷暑一般热烈难挡。第4演习日，领航处参战人员指挥引导得当，但在“敌”大规模进攻阶段，对敌情判断不够准确，部分区域兵力使用衔接不够紧密。第6演习日，成空各作战单元密切协同，击落“敌机”23架无一战损，“复盘”时提出了“各兵机种仍有‘单打独斗’现象，整体作战效能没有发挥到最大限度”等20多个问题……
“复盘”中，作战筹划组织、体系对抗中各要素融合等10余个方面的160余个影响战斗力增长的重难点问题，被官兵摆上桌面。他们逐项逐条分析讨论，梳理出新的方案、思路。“通过对演习的检讨反思，我们对战斗力标准有了更新认识，对今后部队该怎么训、怎么打有了更清晰目标，比庆功会收获还大！”成空航空兵某师师长王燕崎深有感触地说。
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maneuvers into the empty celebration not won the battle
fighting in the "Review of reflection" Growth Author: 2013-08-12 04:05 Source: China Military Online - PLO newspaper Liberation Army China Military Online News special correspondent Hu Xiaoyu, according to reports: August 6 morning, a confrontation which lasted two weeks exercise "Replay", with the system of review of reflection will be held against the dust settles. At the meeting, just desert training ground owned by the construction of an empty command team members, do not speak achievements, do not put the credit, speaking sharply insufficient causal analysis, openness of gains and losses, talk about countermeasures. Together with soldiers fight in the desert 51 days into the empty deputy commander of the Han Shengyan introduced troops go to build two weeks, no one organization celebration, a great energy to the "Replay", the by-point analysis gains and losses. There are men rhetorical question: "The whole system of time-domain total factor maneuvers, according to the criterion of combat and combat difficulty, but we still called victory. Supposed celebration, why make life difficult for themselves with their own? ' "according to the previous criterion of combat decent, according to today's standards to make life difficult. "an empty leadership unequivocally that the real battle fighting this fight must be the only ruler to measure, in order to win future wars requirements shortcomings. For a time, into the air forces of the review reflect the atmosphere, and generally enthusiastic match for heat pressing. 4th day exercises, pilot guided properly at the command of the war, but in the "enemy" large-scale offensive stage, the judge is not accurate enough enemy, part of the regional forces to use inadequate connection. 6 exercises day, into the air in close coordination with each combat unit, shoot down "enemy" 23 without a battle damage, "Replay" is made "Each soldier models still 'go it alone' phenomenon, the overall combat effectiveness is not be maximized "and so on more than 20 issues ...... "Replay", the operational planning organization, system integration of various elements of the confrontation, more than 10 aspects of the impact of more than 160 combat growing heavy and difficult problems, the officers and men on the table . They discussed one by one by one, to tease out new programs, ideas. "Through the review of the exercise of reflection, we are fighting the standard has been updated understanding of the how the future force training, how to play with clearer objectives, bigger than the harvest celebration!" Into the air force a division Wang Yan Qi deeply moved to say. ... 2/content_45924.htm
成空对抗演习打了胜仗没庆功
战斗力在“检讨反思”中成长
作者：
2013-08-12 04:05 来源：中国军网——解放军报
中国军网据解放军报讯 特约记者胡晓宇报道：8月6日上午，一场历时半个月的对抗演习“复盘”，随着体系对抗检讨反思会的召开尘埃落定。会上，刚从大漠演兵场归建的成空指挥班子成员，不讲成绩，不摆功劳，一针见血讲不足、析因果，开诚布公论得失、谈对策。
与官兵一起在大漠鏖战51天的成空副司令员韩胜延介绍，部队归建半个月来，没有人组织庆功，都把精力用在“复盘”上，逐个环节分析得失。
有官兵反诘：“这次全时域全要素体系对抗演习，按照战斗力标准和作战难度，我们也算打了个胜仗。本应该庆功，为什么还要自己跟自己过不去？”
“按以往的战斗力标准过得去，按现在的标准就过不去。”成空领导旗帜鲜明地指出，实战化对抗必须以战斗力这把唯一的尺子来衡量，以打赢未来战争要求找差距。
一时间，成空部队的检讨反思气氛，与逼人的酷暑一般热烈难挡。第4演习日，领航处参战人员指挥引导得当，但在“敌”大规模进攻阶段，对敌情判断不够准确，部分区域兵力使用衔接不够紧密。第6演习日，成空各作战单元密切协同，击落“敌机”23架无一战损，“复盘”时提出了“各兵机种仍有‘单打独斗’现象，整体作战效能没有发挥到最大限度”等20多个问题……
“复盘”中，作战筹划组织、体系对抗中各要素融合等10余个方面的160余个影响战斗力增长的重难点问题，被官兵摆上桌面。他们逐项逐条分析讨论，梳理出新的方案、思路。“通过对演习的检讨反思，我们对战斗力标准有了更新认识，对今后部队该怎么训、怎么打有了更清晰目标，比庆功会收获还大！”成空航空兵某师师长王燕崎深有感触地说。
... 2/content_45924.htm
Auto Translation:
maneuvers into the empty celebration not won the battle
fighting in the "Review of reflection" Growth Author: 2013-08-12 04:05 Source: China Military Online - PLO newspaper Liberation Army China Military Online News special correspondent Hu Xiaoyu, according to reports: August 6 morning, a confrontation which lasted two weeks exercise "Replay", with the system of review of reflection will be held against the dust settles. At the meeting, just desert training ground owned by the construction of an empty command team members, do not speak achievements, do not put the credit, speaking sharply insufficient causal analysis, openness of gains and losses, talk about countermeasures. Together with soldiers fight in the desert 51 days into the empty deputy commander of the Han Shengyan introduced troops go to build two weeks, no one organization celebration, a great energy to the "Replay", the by-point analysis gains and losses. There are men rhetorical question: "The whole system of time-domain total factor maneuvers, according to the criterion of combat and combat difficulty, but we still called victory. Supposed celebration, why make life difficult for themselves with their own? ' "according to the previous criterion of combat decent, according to today's standards to make life difficult. "an empty leadership unequivocally that the real battle fighting this fight must be the only ruler to measure, in order to win future wars requirements shortcomings. For a time, into the air forces of the review reflect the atmosphere, and generally enthusiastic match for heat pressing. 4th day exercises, pilot guided properly at the command of the war, but in the "enemy" large-scale offensive stage, the judge is not accurate enough enemy, part of the regional forces to use inadequate connection. 6 exercises day, into the air in close coordination with each combat unit, shoot down "enemy" 23 without a battle damage, "Replay" is made "Each soldier models still 'go it alone' phenomenon, the overall combat effectiveness is not be maximized "and so on more than 20 issues ...... "Replay", the operational planning organization, system integration of various elements of the confrontation, more than 10 aspects of the impact of more than 160 combat growing heavy and difficult problems, the officers and men on the table . They discussed one by one by one, to tease out new programs, ideas. "Through the review of the exercise of reflection, we are fighting the standard has been updated understanding of the how the future force training, how to play with clearer objectives, bigger than the harvest celebration!" Into the air force a division Wang Yan Qi deeply moved to say. ... 2/content_45924.htm
SinoSoldier
Colonel
So, is it safe to assume that the "enemy" aircraft were those highly capable (sarcasm intended) Su-27SK/J-11A?
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I believe the initial question was IF LERX can replace canard while offering the same flight characteristics as before and the answer is no. Wake me up if this particular Typhoon has it's 'front' wings clip.
ladioussupp
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No. The initial questions prompting me to post these photos was an answer to one of the members asking for some photos on the Typhoon with LERX.
I am no aerodynamic engineer and will not pretend to understand how different the result would be with LERX or canards. I only believe that if the designer or engineers of Typhoon or any other aircraft opted to put this in with conjunction with existing systems, it must meant that this system must bear some good.
And... please go back to sleep
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