J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[timepass]

Even for the J-10 intend to sold to Pakistan, soft loan is not granted to Pakistan to facilitate the sales and result much in the delay.

Soft loans was not the case in Pakistan J10s delay, actually at early stage PAF was keen to have J10As but when J10B appears on the horizon & Indians moving towards Rafale, PAF hold their horses & diverted their focus to J10B with further recommendations to CAC for J10B to meet PAF requirements. Birth of J10B was the main reason for PAF to slashed their proposed F16C/Ds numbers from 72 to 18 only.

J10B is very much on the way to Pakistan & as per the rumors around in PAF circles the numbers will be between (120~140) if not more.

 

[Lion]

Soft loans was not the case in Pakistan J10s delay, actually at early stage PAF was keen to have J10As but when J10B appears on the horizon & Indians moving towards Rafale, PAF hold their horses & diverted their focus to J10B with further recommendations to CAC for J10B to meet PAF requirements. Birth of J10B was the main reason for PAF to slashed their proposed F16C/Ds numbers from 72 to 18 only.

J10B is very much on the way to Pakistan & as per the rumors around in PAF circles the numbers will be between (120~140) if not more.

I am not sure about that but even JF-17 3rd squad supposed to be inducted early is still not completed yet. Financial constraint shall be a problem.

 

[Deino]

...J10B is very much on the way to Pakistan & as per the rumors around in PAF circles the numbers will be between (120~140) if not more.

But wasn't there just an interview with an high-ranking PAF officer, who said there is in the near future no plan to introduce the J-10 !???

To admit I was quite surprised to read that but also too busy to think more about ... will look where this interview was.

Deino

 

[timepass]

I am not sure about that but even JF-17 3rd squad supposed to be inducted early is still not completed yet. Financial constraint shall be a problem.

No my freind, JF17 BLK 2 is very much in the pipe line as per schedule as mentioned by Asif on post # 675 in JF17 thread.

 

[timepass]

But wasn't there just an interview with an high-ranking PAF officer, who said there is in the near future no plan to introduce the J-10 !???

To admit I was quite surprised to read that but also too busy to think more about ... will look where this interview was.

Deino

Yes there was an interview of PAF official but actually he was referring to J10A not J10B.

 

[Deino]

Here it is ... but I don't know, how reliable it si.

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Internet rumors of Pakistan will buy F-10 rumors, Jie Weide General Ahmed denied. He said that China and Pakistan jointly developed the "Fierce Dragon" has succeeded in equipment, but China and Pakistan is still on its continue to improve its ability to multitask further improve, and Pakistan is also working to improve the "Fierce Dragon" The degree of localization. He said that the Pakistan Air Force needs to bring together all the resources together so as to achieve better results. "Fierce Dragon" fighter performance, multi-tasking ability, can Pakistan's current operational needs, and improved still further. F -10 is also out of the hands of the Chengdu Aircraft Manufacturing Company, Pakistan Air Force its also a certain understanding of the Zhuhai Airshow also be able to see the excellent performance of the August flight demonstration team, the Pakistan Air Force know F -10 advanced technology performance, but in the next few years, Pakistan will not consider buying.
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Deino

 

[Lion]

No my freind, JF17 BLK 2 is very much in the pipe line as per schedule as mentioned by Asif on post # 675 in JF17 thread.

Yes but induction of JF-17 is slower than expected.. But might due to in line with the amount of fighter retired like Mirage III before bing replaced by JF-17 and not totally not related to financial constraint.

 

[Munir]

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Deino

Deino,

Pakistan is not a country that can afford much these days. Frankly it is pretty much bankrupt after the last corrupt government lead by zardari/ppp. But the armed forces are to be known to turn things around by doing it a lot cheaper. So there is a little trust left. The government stopped funding of PAF improvements. On the other side the Indians are changing their selection continuously. Since the PAF is there only to counter India (Aghanistan/Iran are not going to be much of a danger and USA is an headache for everyone). The Indians jumped to Rafale but now changed the choice again. Besides that they are a big customer of PAKFA. But that will take some time. So at the moment the MKI is the toughest IAF platform. With the F16, JF17 as a defense force that is doable. So at the moment there are no items to be purchased and no budget to get something big. You will see even one development of JF17 being skipped.

I see that PAF is working beyond Rafale. The real threat will be PAKFA so PAF needs kind of stealth fighterjet to counter. So J31 comes as the most logical choice. Known engine so less headache for maintenance. And there are already teams working on it. By the time it is ready we hopefully have a better economy to buy two squadrons. I suspect that J10B is no longer something that is on the table. We do not see the PAF J10B fly anymore. And yes PAF was working on it since Musharraf sat in the J10.

 

[asif iqbal]

So what is this the annual statements again saying the JF-17 is cancelled and J10B is not on the cards, since 2003 same has been said about the JF17 and the same people are still saying it even after 50 are produced and can carry anti-ship missiles, even after 100 are built people will still talk and say the same thing

Up to November last year 2012, 42 Block I JF17 has been manufactured, most of them have been delivered to 2 Sqaudrons at Peshawar while the last remaining few are at Kamra under test and evaluation, it's standard procedure to home the new JF17 at Kamra before handing over to respective Sqaudrons, I said this a week ago and just a few days ago the Iraqi air force commandore was seen in serial 12-137 not to mention pictures of 12-143 and 12-145 with pictures of 12-148 during assembly

Production rate of JF17 is matching the retirement rate of the older aircraft in the PAF there is no need to go all out and bang 30 units a year when there is no export order, can PAF even absorb 30 new aircraft a year? Answer is no, infact one of the two Sqaudrons is a conversion and operational training Sqaudron as well as frontline line fighter Sqaudron

The last remaining units of Block I might not even raise a 3rd Sqaudron, they might just add them to the two squadrons currently operational

Block II will have air to air refuelling and AWACS integration, anything else is sheer speculation, it won't have WS13 and won't have twin seat again this is just wishful thinking, also unlikey are IRST and whoever once made the comment about conformal fuel tanks, composites is unknown but a possibility

Furthermore the IFR won't be retractable for ease of maintenance, cost and simplicity of construction, the radar is Chinese to allow for easy integration with H2/4 and air launched Ra'ad cruise missiles and launching of CM-400AKG, CM-400AKG have been delivered to Pakistan

And lastly JF17 is a national project, anyone who has visited the PAC will see the small town sized facility Pakistan has established to build this aircraft, to suggest its stopped or canceled shows how much one knows about the project

J10B is a project further down the line, it's a top tier aircraft which will sit above the F16 C/D block 52+, you can see the role level they will take in PAF so it won't be coming anytime soon but will do eventually

 

[Deino]

@ asif iqbal

Thanks a lot again for that more than comprehensive answer and explanation ! ... and I hope You did not misunderstand my stateent regarding the "no purchase"; I simply wanted to tell what I read esp. since I was not sure about the reliability.

Deino