Red___Sword
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Lol, though watched again and again - who said China can not export ideology? You can "read" anti-hegemony all over the place.
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Lol, though watched again and again - who said China can not export ideology? You can "read" anti-hegemony all over the place.
the one part I've been wondering recently is the size of this PLANAF J-10 regiment. We've seen pennant number going all the way up to 24, but the question is whether that's where it stops. It would seem like this J-10 regiment has only 24 aircraft like other PLANAF regiments based on the photos we've seen.
btw, even PLAAF does not have 28 J-10s in all of its regiments. At least the 24th division regiment seems to have anywhere from 35 to 40 J-10s if you look at Huitong's site.
In I find these two sentences:
"J-10B is very likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 (see below) currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. The production of J-10B is expected to be imminent (07 batch?)".
If production is now imminent, and the aircraft uses technology to be used by another aircraft that will be introduced in about six years time, why should production not be in large quantity?
"J-10B is very likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 (see below) currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. The production of J-10B is expected to be imminent (07 batch?)".
If production is now imminent, and the aircraft uses technology to be used by another aircraft that will be introduced in about six years time, why should production not be in large quantity?
plawolf
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Maybe because there is an even more ambitious J10 version in development? Maybe one that uses the WS15 to enjoy commonality with the J20, have greater payload, range and can supercruise as well as have more advanced LO features (but short of full on 5th gen steath) such as semi-recessed fuselage hardpoints, maybe even with T50 style disposable covers etc.
The J20 is the top end, no-expense spared air dominance fighter, but that means it cannot be bought in huge numbers because of costs. Same thing with the rumored SAC stealth striker. It will be a top end deep penetration striker for first day of war and high value, well defended targets. But it too will be pretty expensive and will not be bought in large numbers.
If the PLAAF does not want massively cut its numbers, it will need something that is competitive against the F35, preferable be superior to the eurocanards (and I view the J10B as on par with the Eurocanards in terms of air combat capabilities) to fill the numbers without breaking the bank.
The J20 is the top end, no-expense spared air dominance fighter, but that means it cannot be bought in huge numbers because of costs. Same thing with the rumored SAC stealth striker. It will be a top end deep penetration striker for first day of war and high value, well defended targets. But it too will be pretty expensive and will not be bought in large numbers.
If the PLAAF does not want massively cut its numbers, it will need something that is competitive against the F35, preferable be superior to the eurocanards (and I view the J10B as on par with the Eurocanards in terms of air combat capabilities) to fill the numbers without breaking the bank.
plawolf
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The PLAAF might scale back the pace of new J10B induction if they know that a much better version is only a few years down the road and now that they have built up a strong enough air force to safeguard China's core interests.
One of the reasons the J10A was procured so quickly was because the J7 and J8II were hopelessly inadequate as China's primary fighters in the mid 90s. Now the PLAAF is comfortably one of the top 5 air forces in the world, and only the USA has a realistic hope of seriously threatening Chinese core interests through force of arms, so there is not quite the same level of urgency as before.
The extra spare capacity at CAC could easily be used to produce export J10s. The PAF most certainly would want as many as they cab afford, and I am sure others might be very interested once the type is officially placed of the Market and more info about it's capabilities are disclosed. If the Aug 1st display team made some foreign appearances at key air shows, I am sure that will generate a lot of interest in the type.
Even if CAC can't find the foreign orders to keep the line going, I am sure the PLAAF would be interested in more J10S twin seaters. So instead of focusing on forming new regiments ASAP, the PLAAF could easily use this time to consolidate and start mass purchases once the J10X (I feel the J10C is more commonly associated with a possible carrier capable version) is ready. Even China cannot afford to buy fighters at it's precious rate forever.
If anything, this slowdown may have already happened if you look at rate of new J10 squadron formation in the last few years compared to the mid 2000s.
One of the reasons the J10A was procured so quickly was because the J7 and J8II were hopelessly inadequate as China's primary fighters in the mid 90s. Now the PLAAF is comfortably one of the top 5 air forces in the world, and only the USA has a realistic hope of seriously threatening Chinese core interests through force of arms, so there is not quite the same level of urgency as before.
The extra spare capacity at CAC could easily be used to produce export J10s. The PAF most certainly would want as many as they cab afford, and I am sure others might be very interested once the type is officially placed of the Market and more info about it's capabilities are disclosed. If the Aug 1st display team made some foreign appearances at key air shows, I am sure that will generate a lot of interest in the type.
Even if CAC can't find the foreign orders to keep the line going, I am sure the PLAAF would be interested in more J10S twin seaters. So instead of focusing on forming new regiments ASAP, the PLAAF could easily use this time to consolidate and start mass purchases once the J10X (I feel the J10C is more commonly associated with a possible carrier capable version) is ready. Even China cannot afford to buy fighters at it's precious rate forever.
If anything, this slowdown may have already happened if you look at rate of new J10 squadron formation in the last few years compared to the mid 2000s.
I think the more simple answer is because huitong is showing "both sides of the story". A while ago people thought J-10B would only act as a testbed for J-20 technologies and thus may not be produced in large numbers. I think he's just referring to that previous idea rather than implying anything else.
Hello:
This is my vey first post in the forum I have been surfing the site for more than 5 years for news and information regarding various air crafts of Chine’ s origin, and have fallen in love with The J 10,
On the topic of continued improvement of J 10 and J 11, I would like to share some of my thoughts.
It is a fact that unlike USA China has had a major capacity gap to fill, while USA had the privilege of having the leading nation in military aviation setting the force mix and capabilities as per its desired policies. China had to catch USA capabilities.
China must look for future if it continues inducting 4 generation fighter like J 10 A and J 11 to replace its old J 7 and J 8 then it will always be behind USA or Russia. On the other hand if that focus too much on 5 generation aircraft and develop replacement for each aircraft than by the time they will build a decent 5 generation capability USA will be introducing 6th generation capabilities and China will have to play catch up again.
I believe China is following a policy to develop only limited full 5th generation air craft i.e J 20 and maybe J H8 or JH 7X whichever its name is (JH 7 X could play a low cast fighter bomber) and to improve their 4 generation aircrafts close to 5th generation capabilities. And than move to 6th generation capabilities in the same timeframe as USA. Same policy is being advocated by Boeing with their F 15 SE and Sixth generation aircraft. This is also where all those unused designation of J 12 to J 19 come in
In above context I do believe that china will continue development of J 10 and even J 11.
As far as J 10 is concerned with CAC developing J 20 it will be easy and more cost effective to share technologies in both programs and the policy would be more pragmatic. hope there will be lost of interesting developments for J 10 diehard enthusiasts.
Regards
This is my vey first post in the forum I have been surfing the site for more than 5 years for news and information regarding various air crafts of Chine’ s origin, and have fallen in love with The J 10,
On the topic of continued improvement of J 10 and J 11, I would like to share some of my thoughts.
It is a fact that unlike USA China has had a major capacity gap to fill, while USA had the privilege of having the leading nation in military aviation setting the force mix and capabilities as per its desired policies. China had to catch USA capabilities.
China must look for future if it continues inducting 4 generation fighter like J 10 A and J 11 to replace its old J 7 and J 8 then it will always be behind USA or Russia. On the other hand if that focus too much on 5 generation aircraft and develop replacement for each aircraft than by the time they will build a decent 5 generation capability USA will be introducing 6th generation capabilities and China will have to play catch up again.
I believe China is following a policy to develop only limited full 5th generation air craft i.e J 20 and maybe J H8 or JH 7X whichever its name is (JH 7 X could play a low cast fighter bomber) and to improve their 4 generation aircrafts close to 5th generation capabilities. And than move to 6th generation capabilities in the same timeframe as USA. Same policy is being advocated by Boeing with their F 15 SE and Sixth generation aircraft. This is also where all those unused designation of J 12 to J 19 come in
In above context I do believe that china will continue development of J 10 and even J 11.
As far as J 10 is concerned with CAC developing J 20 it will be easy and more cost effective to share technologies in both programs and the policy would be more pragmatic. hope there will be lost of interesting developments for J 10 diehard enthusiasts.
Regards
I think there are still plenty of J-7 aircraft to be replaced, even at one for two. What would be the possibility of next re-manufacturing J-10A's for export and replace them in PLAAF service? That depends of course on the flight hours the aircraft would still be fit for, which also depends on the way of re-manufacturing.
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