J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Deino]

^ I believe that is a pair of j-10a's with standard al-31 rather than j-10b's with WS-10

Pic 1 & 3 are WS-10 powered J-10B
Pic 2 show J-10A with AL-31FN
Pic 4 is unclear

100% for sure ... but I would love to see their numberes !

Deino

 

[airsuperiority]

Actually I wonder what Deino thinks of TVC and canards.

 

[delft]

When the aircraft can pull 9G with one, then there is little point to retain the other. Extra maneuverability means little if the pilot cannot survive it.

True, but can your canards provide 9G near your ceiling? The question is each time: what is the specification and how can I ensure that my aircraft can comply.
But I hope we will be able, eventually, to do without the weight, heat resistant materials and maintenance head aches of TVC. If that means we will be looking at irregularly shaped engine tail pipes ( with seven sides of unequal length? ) so be it.

 

[Martian]

J-10B with WS-10A engine

Parked J-10B with WS-10A engine

A closer look at J-10B with WS-10A engine

[Note: Thank you to HouShanghai for the pictures.]

 

[bingo]

May be not vanity, but India isn't strong enough in aeronautics to see through b.s. India itself could have asked Sukhoi to make the aircraft more maneuverable, and Sukhoi could have responded by blowing off dust from some old blueprints. Sukhoi could have also told India that it is good to add certain features. In either case, India wouldn't know better.

Now, this is surely worth highlighting.

Though, hardly worth a comment.

Oh yeah? How many wind tunnels do they have compared to US, Russia, China, France or UK? India's track record with its existing aircraft isn't pretty, either.

I didn't know how important wind tunnels are.

But just out of curiosity and random search, I found this link:

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So, it looks like the number of wind tunnels is not zero, atleast.

I don't know what they are used for though ... and perhaps, you'll further add that India wouldn't know , either, what they are used for. Okay, sure.

 

[duskylim]

Re: J-10B with WS-10A engine

Parked J-10B with WS-10A engine

A closer look at J-10B with WS-10A engine

[Note: Thank you to HouShanghai for the pictures.]

Great pics!!!

The 2nd picture of the rear of the J-10B aircraft is particularly interesting, it seems that there is some modification to the rear section to get what appears to be the wider WS-10A to fit into the rear airframe.

Check out the slab extensions on which the 2 rear underfins are mounted, on the J-10A if I remember correctly, they are flat, on this aircraft they are curved with thicker side sections.

Furthermore, it may be just me and my bad eyes but the J-10B with the WS-10A seems to be more arched - with pronounced area ruling?

 

[Blitzo]

From =GT over at CDF.

Lotta J-10s.
And no, I don't think these are PSed (every aircraft in the pictures seem quite different). There are certainly more than enough J-10As in PLAAF service for them to conduct exercises on this scale.

Sigh these flights of J-10s would look so much better if they were given better paint schemes :-/

 

[Lion]

Now, this is surely worth highlighting.

Though, hardly worth a comment.



I didn't know how important wind tunnels are.

But just out of curiosity and random search, I found this link:

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So, it looks like the number of wind tunnels is not zero, atleast.

I don't know what they are used for though ... and perhaps, you'll further add that India wouldn't know , either, what they are used for. Okay, sure.

We are not trying to belittle India. But out of Russia and India, who accumulate more test and more experience? Who is in a better position to say which is better?

If India aviation industries is so fanatastic, it wouldn't need to send Kaveri Engine to Russia for testing, right?

 

[plawolf]

Some amazing shots there Bltizo! Looks like an official PLA release, so I see no reason why it would be Psed at all since every single J10 regiment has the numbers to put much more planes in the air than what is shown in those shots.

It is also interesting how often J10s are pictured with PL11s instead of PL12s.

I wonder if the PL11 is the standard peacetime load for patrols, snap calls and live fire drills while thePL12s
are saved more as war reserves.

 

[Martian]

J-10A and J-10B Vigorous Dragon evolution

The top photo is a J-10A with AL-31F engine. The second and third photos show a J-10B with DSI intake and AL-31F engine. The fourth photo is a J-10B with China's domestic WS-10A engine.

This sequence of pictures illustrates the evolution of the J-10 family from a J-10A (with AL-31F engine) into a J-10B with advanced DSI technology and WS-10A engine.

In the sequence of photographs, it is easy to distinguish between the AL-31F and WS-10A engines. The "flexible petals" on the WS-10A are a lot shorter than on the AL-31F.

Comparison of Chinese WS-10A and Russian AL-31F jet engines.

[Note: Thank you to HouShanghai for the first picture and Maya for the engine comparison picture.]