J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Inst]

It looks closer to a PESA, specifically, the Irbis-E.

It's hard to tell the difference between a PESA and AESA radar from a distance, but the modules are bigger on AESA, as they are both transmit and receive. Consequently, and when you compare it to pictures of Irbis-E, it seems to be a PESA.

 

[Blitzo]

It looks closer to a PESA, specifically, the Irbis-E.

It's hard to tell the difference between a PESA and AESA radar from a distance, but the modules are bigger on AESA, as they are both transmit and receive. Consequently, and when you compare it to pictures of Irbis-E, it seems to be a PESA.

It's a bit much to say that radar on the J-10B is PESA because it looks like one when, from the distance this photo was taken at it would be near impoossible to differentiate between the two...

F-22 AESA APG-77

F-16 AESA APG-80

Mig-35 AESA Zhuk AE

Su-35 PESA Irbis-E

Anyway huitong just linked to the picture of the J-10B showing its radar as the AESA, so people will make of that what they will.

 

[Engineer]

It looks closer to a PESA, specifically, the Irbis-E.

It's hard to tell the difference between a PESA and AESA radar from a distance, but the modules are bigger on AESA, as they are both transmit and receive. Consequently, and when you compare it to pictures of Irbis-E, it seems to be a PESA.

That's a flawed argument.

You yourself admitted that it is diffcult (if not impossible I may add) to tell PESA and AESA apart from a distance. And from such distance, it is also impossible to distinguish individual elements on an ESA. You premise is thus flawed, and therefore cannot support your conclusion. And as far as look goes, this radar on the J-10b looks like APG-77, right down to the shape. So by your logic, either the radar on J-10b is an AESA or APG-77 is a PESA.

But appearance is meaningless. Like siegecrossbow said, China hardly put any effort into PESA research and simply went straight into AESA. The ESA radars that have deployed so far are AESA. I would venture to say that China cannot build a PESA. This radar on the J-10b would not be anything else but an AESA.

 

[plawolf]

The same old predictable nonsense.

Every time China makes a new breakthrough, the same crowd first tries to deny it's existence, and then when even they cannot suspend reality enough to believe it, they suggest it's Russian or made with Russian parts or Russian help, and will probably try and throw some cheapshot in questioning the quality of the product. If all else fails, they will then try to to dismiss its significance by suggesting the Chinese do not have the experience or training to make full use of it.

 

[Martian]

China's J-11B and J-15 Flying Shark will both have AESA

[During an interview in July of last year, a Chinese military official stated that the J-11B and J-15 Flying Shark will be equipped with AESA radars. Therefore, a year later, it is not a surprise to see an AESA radar on a J-10B.]

According to a Chinese military official, both the J-11B and J-15 Flying Shark will be fitted with AESA.

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"综述理清J-11B与J15


1 机体结构经过重新设计和优化


2 复合材料与隐形材料及钛合金的应用，大大地降低了飞机自身的重量，具有更好的隐身性能


3 太行B发动机（大量使用我国近年在航空动力研发的新材料、新技术、新工艺）推力比AL-31F增加了700公斤（未来可能是带矢量喷口的）


4 新型的航电和操控系统


5 有源相控阵雷达（AESA）


乐观估计（2011年及后批次生产型应达到三代半）：


J-15 的综合实力与超级大黄蜂F/A-18EF或阵风-M相当，处于同一档次。


J-11B的综合实力与F-15SE，SU-35,阵风及EF-2000相当


另感觉 J-10B将作为电子战和侦察机（相当于咆哮鹰）上舰与J-15搭配。"

[Note: Thank you to SinoSoldier for the post.]

 

[Blitzo]

^ Is that the same sinosoldier who mentioned that H-8/9 bomber and the JH-7B making its first flight in 2009 sinosoldier?

Hmm let's wait and see.

 

[Martian]

^ Is that the same sinosoldier who mentioned that H-8/9 bomber and the JH-7B making its first flight in 2009 sinosoldier?

Hmm let's wait and see.

I don't know. The source link to the article at MilChina.com has been provided.

 

[Red___Sword]

The same old predictable nonsense.

Every time China makes a new breakthrough, the same crowd first tries to deny it's existence, and then when even they cannot suspend reality enough to believe it, they suggest it's Russian or made with Russian parts or Russian help, and will probably try and throw some cheapshot in questioning the quality of the product. If all else fails, they will then try to to dismiss its significance by suggesting the Chinese do not have the experience or training to make full use of it.

Man this "definition of certain types of people" is so accurate...

I am going to show these exact words to those I met at other forums, next time.

 

[A.Man]

J-10's In Tibet

 

[Martian]

J-10s in China's Tibet province

J-10s in China's Tibet province

[Note: Thank you to "A.Man" for the picture.]