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J-10's 5 kills to nothing beat SU-30’s in a Red-Blue air combat.
Blue force had one plane that got away and dropped bombs on Red force ground post. So, the Blue force won the battle.
We have seen an article about a PLAAF regiment commander Li Feng who piloted a J-10 landed safely after the engine lost power. This Red force regiment commander is also Li Feng. Are they the same person? The photo in this report shown J-10’s against Su-30’s.
蓝方仅存一架成功突防
11月9日，在南空航空兵某师一场空中突击与防御作战演练中，蓝方担负突击任务的航空兵某团损失5架战机，只有1架战机突破重围。谁知，导演组宣布：“蓝方胜！”
怎么回事？导演组讲评说：“蓝方赢就赢在突防成功的这一架飞机上！”师长吕建强对笔者说，尽管这一场战斗蓝方精锐尽失，战损比例较大，但唯一突防成功的一个架次达成了作战意图，因而判胜。
回放此役，真相大白：蓝方指挥员、团长杨永飞以绝大多数战机用于佯攻和掩护，把突防的重任交给极少部分飞行员完成。
这样打能行吗？笔者在指挥大厅大屏幕上看到，红方战机起飞后，分左中右3个方向布势，将防御目标围得严严实实。蓝方战机分成两路，如同两把尖刀直插对手两肋。数分钟后，双方接敌，就在蓝方战机相继被击落之际，一架战机幽灵般摆脱与对手的缠斗，超低空对红方战略目标成功实施打击。
评估结果公布后，“单枪匹马”扭转战局的蓝方飞行员高景对笔者说，突防过程中，自己驾驶的战机也曾多次被对手锁定出现告警，但没有与对方纠缠，一边施放干扰，一边实施大载荷机动，终于把对手甩在身后，确保完成任务。（任甫清、特约通讯员闫国有报道）
红方空战结果5：0被判输
“凭什么判我们输？”对抗结果一公布，击落击伤“敌机”5架、自己毫发未损的红方飞行员个个脸红脖子粗，要求复盘重审。
复盘再现交战画面：蓝方两个方向的进攻集群刚一飞临战场分界线，红方即实施拦截。右翼，10多分钟时间内，蓝方战机全部被击中。左翼，蓝方只有一架战机侥幸突破红方拦截。如果按战绩算，5∶0，红方是当之无愧的胜者。但事实上，就是蓝方突防成功的这架战机，成了红方胜绩的“终结者”。
总导演、师长吕建强质问红方指挥员：“你们防御的目标在哪里？在地面！在天上击落击伤敌机是为了什么？是为地面目标安全。对方唯一突防成功的一架战机恰恰干掉了你们重兵防守的目标，能说你们赢了吗？”
大厅里鸦雀无声，红方飞行员都低下了头。讲评结束后，红方指挥员、团长李锋心悦诚服地对笔者说：“师长说得对，我们丢了西瓜捡了芝麻，判我们输一点不冤枉！”（赵永固、特约通讯员闫国有报道）
交战感言
现代空战，目光绝不能仅仅停留在“击落敌机”多少的层面上。正像“001”和“100”相比，虽然都是同样的三个数字，但完成任务的“1”是“有效数字”，只有这个“1”存在，击落击伤“敌机”的那些“0”才构成战绩。
——红方指挥员、南空航空兵某团团长 李锋
我们这支军队过去打仗有一个好传统：不计较一城一地的得失，重在达成战略目的。过去地面作战如此，如今空中作战也不应“忘本”。我们常说，飞行员要有战略头脑，看起来要求很高不好把握，其实就体现在具体的战术运用中。
Blue force had one plane that got away and dropped bombs on Red force ground post. So, the Blue force won the battle.
We have seen an article about a PLAAF regiment commander Li Feng who piloted a J-10 landed safely after the engine lost power. This Red force regiment commander is also Li Feng. Are they the same person? The photo in this report shown J-10’s against Su-30’s.
蓝方仅存一架成功突防
11月9日，在南空航空兵某师一场空中突击与防御作战演练中，蓝方担负突击任务的航空兵某团损失5架战机，只有1架战机突破重围。谁知，导演组宣布：“蓝方胜！”
怎么回事？导演组讲评说：“蓝方赢就赢在突防成功的这一架飞机上！”师长吕建强对笔者说，尽管这一场战斗蓝方精锐尽失，战损比例较大，但唯一突防成功的一个架次达成了作战意图，因而判胜。
回放此役，真相大白：蓝方指挥员、团长杨永飞以绝大多数战机用于佯攻和掩护，把突防的重任交给极少部分飞行员完成。
这样打能行吗？笔者在指挥大厅大屏幕上看到，红方战机起飞后，分左中右3个方向布势，将防御目标围得严严实实。蓝方战机分成两路，如同两把尖刀直插对手两肋。数分钟后，双方接敌，就在蓝方战机相继被击落之际，一架战机幽灵般摆脱与对手的缠斗，超低空对红方战略目标成功实施打击。
评估结果公布后，“单枪匹马”扭转战局的蓝方飞行员高景对笔者说，突防过程中，自己驾驶的战机也曾多次被对手锁定出现告警，但没有与对方纠缠，一边施放干扰，一边实施大载荷机动，终于把对手甩在身后，确保完成任务。（任甫清、特约通讯员闫国有报道）
红方空战结果5：0被判输
“凭什么判我们输？”对抗结果一公布，击落击伤“敌机”5架、自己毫发未损的红方飞行员个个脸红脖子粗，要求复盘重审。
复盘再现交战画面：蓝方两个方向的进攻集群刚一飞临战场分界线，红方即实施拦截。右翼，10多分钟时间内，蓝方战机全部被击中。左翼，蓝方只有一架战机侥幸突破红方拦截。如果按战绩算，5∶0，红方是当之无愧的胜者。但事实上，就是蓝方突防成功的这架战机，成了红方胜绩的“终结者”。
总导演、师长吕建强质问红方指挥员：“你们防御的目标在哪里？在地面！在天上击落击伤敌机是为了什么？是为地面目标安全。对方唯一突防成功的一架战机恰恰干掉了你们重兵防守的目标，能说你们赢了吗？”
大厅里鸦雀无声，红方飞行员都低下了头。讲评结束后，红方指挥员、团长李锋心悦诚服地对笔者说：“师长说得对，我们丢了西瓜捡了芝麻，判我们输一点不冤枉！”（赵永固、特约通讯员闫国有报道）
交战感言
现代空战，目光绝不能仅仅停留在“击落敌机”多少的层面上。正像“001”和“100”相比，虽然都是同样的三个数字，但完成任务的“1”是“有效数字”，只有这个“1”存在，击落击伤“敌机”的那些“0”才构成战绩。
——红方指挥员、南空航空兵某团团长 李锋
我们这支军队过去打仗有一个好传统：不计较一城一地的得失，重在达成战略目的。过去地面作战如此，如今空中作战也不应“忘本”。我们常说，飞行员要有战略头脑，看起来要求很高不好把握，其实就体现在具体的战术运用中。
do you mind actually making some comment about these videos that you post in the future rather than just generic stuff like "Your Guess Is As Good As Mine"
china is going to sell J-10 to pakistan?
I read the news yesterday on MSN ( chinese web), it was deleted later, don't know how reliable it is.
chief of staff of pakistani airforce posing in front of a KJ-200 and said: "china and pakistan are finalising the details on selling J-10 to pakistan"
I read the news yesterday on MSN ( chinese web), it was deleted later, don't know how reliable it is.
chief of staff of pakistani airforce posing in front of a KJ-200 and said: "china and pakistan are finalising the details on selling J-10 to pakistan"
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Indeed, actually I'd say that it was a blunder that the Su-30MKK made it to its destination to unload its payload give that it was so tied down with munitions. Several people on this and other forums are saying this either means: J-10 pilots lack experience and are not aggressive enough or that for the interception role the J-10 still has its work cut out for it. Given that it was an interception scenario I wonder how J-8Fs would handle the situation?
The big shrimps on CD said that some of the Su-30s provided escort while others carried air to ground munition. Don't know whether the escort Su-30s are included in the 5 or not.
There is some speculation that the blue team went for a "self-sacrificial tactic" (baiting the J-10s with the other four planes so the 5th could break through). Considering that the whole point of the exercise is to help the red team to improve their intercept capabilities I guess it is a good thing that they were so harsh with the "grading".
a bunch of J-10 August first demonstration team photos. There has been a lot of these photos, so i'm just posting a very small subset.
As for the Su-30 vs J-10 debate, we really don't know the circumstances and ROE in those exercises, so it's hard to make sense of the shellacking.
As for the Su-30 vs J-10 debate, we really don't know the circumstances and ROE in those exercises, so it's hard to make sense of the shellacking.
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