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Overbom

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Bruh... The Houthis are looking more and more like a side quest. You only need 166 warships if you're targetting a somewhat strong country... like Iran.
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Netanyahu heads to Washington to talk tariffs, Gaza and Iran with Trump​

Trump has pressed Tehran for a new deal on its nuclear programme, although little progress has been made. There is widespread speculation that Israel, possibly with US help, might launch a military strike on Iranian facilities if no agreement is reached.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Bruh... The Houthis are looking more and more like a side quest. You only need 166 warships if you're targetting a somewhat strong country... like Iran.
The US Navy has 295 ships, and according to USNI, 96 of them are deployed to the Middle East and Indian Ocean against Iran and Yemen. 25% of the US Navy was mobilized, and 26 ships were identified. Such a large-scale movement is not associated with simple tension or limited conflict. The US and Israel are preparing for a major war, and the first steps and tests of this process are happening during the current attacks in Yemen.

Currently, nearly a third of the B-2 bomber fleet, a quarter of the B-52 fleet and a tenth of the B-1 fleet are deployed in the Middle East, where the last such buildup took place after the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

Maikeru

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The US Navy has 295 ships, and according to USNI, 96 of them are deployed to the Middle East and Indian Ocean against Iran and Yemen. 25% of the US Navy was mobilized, and 26 ships were identified. Such a large-scale movement is not associated with simple tension or limited conflict. The US and Israel are preparing for a major war, and the first steps and tests of this process are happening during the current attacks in Yemen.

Currently, nearly a third of the B-2 bomber fleet, a quarter of the B-52 fleet and a tenth of the B-1 fleet are deployed in the Middle East, where the last such buildup took place after the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well that should help stabilise the global capital markets.
 

gadgetcool5

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Once a country get involved into a messy external islamic problem, they are dragged into a complicated web of unrelated problems. Islam have so many factions and diversity, there is not way to pick the right side. Remember how USA got involved with alfganistan and later bin ladin bombed 9/11? ally of one day becomes enemy of tomorrow.
When you play chess, your goal is to protect your King, so you only look at your King, Queen, and the two pawns in front of it. You don't look at what your Rook, Knight, Bishop or other pawns are doing, or your opponent's pieces, because once you start looking at the other squares on the board, you get dragged into a complicated web of unrelated problems. There are so many pieces on the board and diversity, it is too complicated for your brain to handle. Remember how your opponent moved his Knight one day, and then his Bishop the next day. The important piece one day becomes the unimportant piece the next day right? It gives you a headache and you need to lie down. Might as well forfeit the game if it's that complicated. Here is a glass of water.

This is stupid thinking. The U.S. has put a target on China's back and will try to recruit the entire world into the game. So the entire world is the chess board now. There is no deal to be had between China and the U.S. Whether China acknowledges it or not, or wants to or not, other people's problems are going to become China's problems now. That is what happens when you are competing for #1 in the globe, or are targeted by #1 in the globe.
 

gadgetcool5

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I agree completely with you. I actually said the same thing on here several times. China follows a non interventionist policy and they have said that proudly several times. I don't understand why some people cant just accept that and move on. lol China changed completely in 1979 when Mao died and the Maoist faction in China was uprooted and deposed. The china that emerged after that was a non belligerent China and one that adhere to a non interventionist policy and normalised relatuons with the US/West and opened up to trade and relations with every country. Vietnam followed China decades later after realising that it will benefit them more to normalise relations with the West and abandoned that their stupid isolationist "axis of resistance" policy. Lol . As you said , small and medium coubtries should realise their reality and know they cant gain anything by standing up yo the top dog. Just go along with the top dog and benefit for your ow interests like china did . If even big powers like China choosed to be cautious, reserved and focus on their internal interests, i dont understand why far weaker countries believe they can challenge the top dogs and win. Lol
Anyway, even with China's growth , size and power as a great power today, China still lies low and doesnt involve herself on other countries affairs or military conflicts outside her borders. China is focused on herself and improving her people's living standards only and rightly so. As long as the US/West doesnt threaten Chinas sovereignty (Taiwan/SCS) China wouldnt get herself in any country or region or conflict anywhere. Xi Jinping himself openly said China has no intention of surpassing or displacing the US in the world.
This says it all.

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I believe the US should make a deal with China and agree to respect China's sovereignty, the US can have the world as they do already all they wabt China wouldnt and doesnt care much. Apart from some token speech here and there. So it will be a WIN-WIN for both great powers.
This is dumb. If the US has the entire rest of the world besides China, and China has its own sovereignty, do you really think this is a win-win? What do you think the US will do next? It will use its strength as the leader of the entire world to get the rest of the world to gang up on China and crush its sovereignty. It will not just peacefully leave China alone. You are awfully naive. The U.S. will not make any "deal" with China, in the U.S. eyes, China is an adversary that must be crushed. That is why China cannot give the U.S. the entire world.

In the past, China was weak so it laid low to avoid notice and followed a non-interventionist policy. That is not possible now. China can lie down on the ground as low as it wants, but it will no longer escape notice because it is too strong now. The U.S. is coming for China whether it follows non-intervention or not, so non-intervention is just like trying to defend yourself with two hands tied behind your back.
 

obj 705A

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This is dumb. If the US has the entire rest of the world besides China, and China has its own sovereignty, do you really think this is a win-win? What do you think the US will do next? It will use its strength as the leader of the entire world to get the rest of the world to gang up on China and crush its sovereignty. It will not just peacefully leave China alone. You are awfully naive. The U.S. will not make any "deal" with China, in the U.S. eyes, China is an adversary that must be crushed. That is why China cannot give the U.S. the entire world.

In the past, China was weak so it laid low to avoid notice and followed a non-interventionist policy. That is not possible now. China can lie down on the ground as low as it wants, but it will no longer escape notice because it is too strong now. The U.S. is coming for China whether it follows non-intervention or not, so non-intervention is just like trying to defend yourself with two hands tied behind your back.
china generaly followed a non interventionist / isolationist policy for the past few thousands of years so it is safe to say China will remain isolationist for the next few thousands of years to come.
and even when they would intervene they would only do it at their immediate borders in east Asia (eg: the Korean war) when the sovereignty of China was under a direct threat.
you don't need to intervene in far away regions to defend yourself, you just need to build a large strong military for that which is what China is building. personaly my issue is with these small countries volunteering to do what much bigger countries like China aren't willing to do. personaly I believe if you are a country that doesn't exist in east or central Asia or eastern Europe then you should automaticaly ally yourself with the west. don't try to be a hero by siding with Russia or China to try to change the world order or whatever other silly heroic goal.

personaly I always laugh when I hear some of these anti- NATO imperialism youtubers talking about how NATO is dying the EU is dying and BRICS is the future.
in reality the EU as a union proved itself to be far much more usefull than BRICS. the EU offers visa free travel, a unified currency and the ability to work in other EU countries. what does BRICS offer? nothing. if you are Indian can you work in China? are you free to travel to Russia or China or Brazil? what about unifying the currencies? I have been hearing about how BRICS is gonna create a unified currency for over a decade now yet there still is no unified currency and there will never be. there is no way India would accept this level of integration with China.

people here or on youtube talk about how the EU is dying. personaly I wouldn't even say BRICS is dying rather I would describe BRICS as a stillbirth. BRICS died before it was even born. it died the moment it was decided that a country that leans towards the west like India would join. and when a non interventionst / isolationist country like China joined. this only leaves Russia but Russia is not capable enough to change the world order.
then you have NATO which even though it has a very large number of members (30 nations) including some countries that hate each other like Greece & Turkey yet it has managed to unify the foreign policy of the organization not completely but still much more than BRICS or the SCO could ever dream of. not only that but offers actual real protection unlike the SCO which is just ink on paper. NATO even offers nuclear sharing agreements like what Turkey has for example.

remember Iran is a member of both BRICS and the SCO. so we will see just how irrelevent these two organizations are once the shooting starts against a fellow SCO/BRICS member. India will just express it's concern but do nothing. Brazil & South Africa will condemn but do nothing. and China will express it's concern and condemn but do nothing.

Iran chose the wrong path. a country like Turkey on the other hand chose the right path. if any country (even Russia) attaks Turkey then NATO will go to war to protect it's member. and yet some people with wild imaginations talk about how Turkey may leave NATO for the SCO.

personaly I believe if regime change in Iran happens and Iran is ruled by a pro west regime then Iran will eventually join NATO just like what Turkey did. and that will be a good thing for Iran.
 
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