Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

TPenglake

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Syria failed to even hold an important city that they already fought over for 4 years. Wow.
Morale and willingness to fight is always going to be an issue in the militaries of many of these post-colonial states that the British and French created. Even if the people and their traditions might be ancient, the country they are citizens of, paying taxes to, the borders they share with people whom they've had blood feuds with for centuries, and the flag they fly, are not. Brute force from the central government and the occasional football match can bring people together for a short while, but will never change the fact that many don't feel any attachment to their "country" and thus things come apart faster when times are hard.

Will is everything. Our grandparents and great grandparents fought for a country that had corrupt leadership and only managed to provide 5 machine guns to a standard infantry battalion when most industrialized militaries had 25, but fought they still did nonetheless even if it meant death. (Granted surrender meant death as well, so it didn't matter either way) And eventhough this forum's generally pro-Russia, I think of Ukraine and how they stood and fought when the Russians invaded. They all felt they fully belonged to an identity that was worth fighting for. The soldiers who fight for the governments of many post-colonial states don't and when the backings of superpowers disappear, ie. the Americans in Afghanistan and now Russia, Hezbollah, and Iran in Syria, then its always inevitable that the soldiers would rather save their own skin.
 

coolgod

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Is it useful to China that Erdogan is helping the most militant Uighurs emigrate to Syria?
Not unless they die there, if they return China will be in big trouble.

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CCTV reporter fleeing Allepo after the main highway was cut off by the HTS. I'm worried now there will be Chinese nationals captured as hostages by the terrorists.
 
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ismellcopium

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Not unless they die there, if they return China will be in big trouble.

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CCTV reporter fleeing Allepo after the main highway was cut off by the HTS. I'm worried now there will be Chinese nationals captured as hostages by the terrorists.
Are they able to return? I would think that if the Xinjiang border is porous enough for them to enter over land that's a problem which should be addressed. Should be more surveillance & technological capabilities installed to detect intrusions.
 

TPenglake

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Not unless they die there, if they return China will be in big trouble.

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CCTV reporter fleeing Allepo after the main highway was cut off by the HTS. I'm worried now there will be Chinese nationals captured as hostages by the terrorists.
Are there many Chinese nationals in Syria? I know its always been talks for China to be involved in Syria's reconstruction, but that the on the ground situation was still not stable enough for that to come to fruition.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Morale and willingness to fight is always going to be an issue in the militaries of many of these post-colonial states that the British and French created. Even if the people and their traditions might be ancient, the country they are citizens of, paying taxes to, the borders they share with people whom they've had blood feuds with for centuries, and the flag they fly, are not. Brute force from the central government and the occasional football match can bring people together for a short while, but will never change the fact that many don't feel any attachment to their "country" and thus things come apart faster when times are hard.

Will is everything. Our grandparents and great grandparents fought for a country that had corrupt leadership and only managed to provide 5 machine guns to a standard infantry battalion when most industrialized militaries had 25, but fought they still did nonetheless even if it meant death. (Granted surrender meant death as well, so it didn't matter either way) And eventhough this forum's generally pro-Russia, I think of Ukraine and how they stood and fought when the Russians invaded. They all felt they fully belonged to an identity that was worth fighting for. The soldiers who fight for the governments of many post-colonial states don't and when the backings of superpowers disappear, ie. the Americans in Afghanistan and now Russia, Hezbollah, and Iran in Syria, then its always inevitable that the soldiers would rather save their own skin.
I hope you do not truly confuse the nature of 1930s ROC with some other countries. Nazi Germany also had a tough resistance and the Waffen SS also believed they were fighting for a glorious identity. Today some countries are generally fighting because they want the EU and NATO to raise their standards of living from being poorer than some African countries to being one of the 'developed west'. They do not truly hate bullies based on their behavior. They sent troops to invade Iraq after all.

Did ROC send troops to help the British Empire invade African countries? Were ROC ground troops helping loot South America and set up concessions for Dole Fruit? No matter what the old ROC did, it didn't make the fundamental mistake of believing that it could be one of the bullies if only they stomped on those lower than them even harder. And that is what changed with modern ROC.
 

Enestori

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This is a truly pathetic performance by Assad. He's had literally 14 years to build an army since the civil war started. After 14 years of real combat experience, his troops are literally running away from the second-largest city in the country.

Just to go back in time, in 2011 China had one J-20 prototype and still had not commissioned a single aircraft carrier. In the same time, Assad apparently did absolutely nothing with his military despite fighting an actual war for the entire time. He doesn't even have the excuse of being an American occupier to explain away this truly massive failure.
 
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