Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

iBBz

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"Haaretz reported that the proposal will include three stages: a truce followed by Hezbollah removing its forces north of the Litani River; an Israeli pullout from southern Lebanon; and finally, Israeli-Lebanese negotiations on demarcation of contested border areas".

"It said an international body led by the US will be tasked with monitoring the ceasefire, and that Israel expects to receive a letter from Washington affirming its right to act militarily should Hezbollah break the terms of the ceasefire amid no action by Lebanon’s military and international forces".

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So if the terms of the ceasefire agreement are confirmed true then we would be looking at Israeli strategic victory, right ? Israelis would pretty much complete all of the objectives they've set out when they decided to invade South Lebanon.
I don't see why Hezbollah would agree to these terms. They are obviously nowhere near defeated or weakened militarily. Their strikes are increasing in intensity and the areas they target keep expanding in size.

and severely damaging Hezbollah's missile and rocket stockpiles.
All evidence to the contrary.
 

RedBaron

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I don't see why Hezbollah would agree to these terms. They are obviously nowhere near defeated or weakened militarily. Their strikes are increasing in intensity and the areas they target keep expanding in size.


All evidence to the contrary.
Possible reasons:

- pressure exerted on them by their coalition partners + US/France
- their electorate in the South being massively displaced
- Israeli airstrikes are leaving unacceptable number of civilian casualties and Hezbollah wants to put a stop to that
 

Minm

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Possible reasons:

- pressure exerted on them by their coalition partners + US/France
- their electorate in the South being massively displaced
- Israeli airstrikes are leaving unacceptable number of civilian casualties and Hezbollah wants to put a stop to that
They haven't been beaten badly enough for a complete surrender without Israel offering anything. They have to discuss the shebaa farms as part of any deal
 

Overbom

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Possible reasons:

- pressure exerted on them by their coalition partners + US/France
- their electorate in the South being massively displaced
- Israeli airstrikes are leaving unacceptable number of civilian casualties and Hezbollah wants to put a stop to that
1 more reason.

They know Trump is coming and will significantly help Israel. Might even get involved directly. So they want to quickly reach a deal before he comes to power

But then Trump and Netanyahu don't care about deals so they may cut a fake deal today and the moment Trump becomes president they will shred it and go to war against Hezbollah with some random excuse.

Who knows. let's see what will happen
 

iBBz

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Possible reasons:

- pressure exerted on them by their coalition partners + US/France
- their electorate in the South being massively displaced
- Israeli airstrikes are leaving unacceptable number of civilian casualties and Hezbollah wants to put a stop to that
This isn't The Last Castle. Hezbollah will have to be defeated militarily or there won't be any deals of them pulling back to the Litani River. Hezbollah is very familiar with Western terrorism. This is not the first time they went to war with them. Did flattening the entirety of Germany and Japan actually make them surrender? No. Did flattening all of Yemen make the Houthis surrender? No. The overthrowing game won't even work here. Lebanon already has a pro-US government and the people in the north are starting to get sick of them and are slowly becoming pro-Hezbollah.


1 more reason.

They know Trump is coming and will significantly help Israel. Might even get involved directly. So they want to quickly reach a deal before he comes to power

But then Trump and Netanyahu don't care about deals so they may cut a fake deal today and the moment Trump becomes president they will shred it and go to war against Hezbollah with some random excuse.

Who knows. let's see what will happen
The Trump coming Trump saying Trump doing rap is getting very old, and at this point, I'm imagining a scene of Hezbollah leadership gathered up in a round table and one guy is saying to the others "What are we going to do with Trump my brothers and sisters? He will kill us all if we don't agree to pull back to the river".

When we say Trump will do more, we are assuming Israel is waging this war on it's own without the full backing of it's owner, the US. The US is already sharing all it's intelligence, handing over the armament, the delivery systems, the air defences, the spare parts, the ideology, the indoctrination, and the employee pay cheques. Trump will add nothing to it, because there simply is nothing to add to it.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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All evidence to the contrary.
All the evidence points to yes.

The average rocket fire in 2006 was 120 per day, while the current conflict has not even reached 150 per day. The sustainable average that many media outlets claimed was 1,500 daily fires, we have not seen that at any time since October 7, 2023.

Are they saving up for a 4d strategy or have they been properly degraded?
 

Minm

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All the evidence points to yes.

The average rocket fire in 2006 was 120 per day, while the current conflict has not even reached 150 per day. The sustainable average that many media outlets claimed was 1,500 daily fires, we have not seen that at any time since October 7, 2023.

Are they saving up for a 4d strategy or have they been properly degraded?
The difference is that since northern Israel was abandoned, Hezbollah can only inflict damage using long range weapons. Tel Aviv getting hit inflicts much higher cost on the settler state than some village in the north
 

RedBaron

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This isn't The Last Castle. Hezbollah will have to be defeated militarily or there won't be any deals of them pulling back to the Litani River. Hezbollah is very familiar with Western terrorism. This is not the first time they went to war with them. Did flattening the entirety of Germany and Japan actually make them surrender? No. Did flattening all of Yemen make the Houthis surrender? No. The overthrowing game won't even work here. Lebanon already has a pro-US government and the people in the north are starting to get sick of them and are slowly becoming pro-Hezbollah.
We will see. The ceasefire agreement is expected to be announced soon.
 

iBBz

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The difference is that since northern Israel was abandoned, Hezbollah can only inflict damage using long range weapons. Tel Aviv getting hit inflicts much higher cost on the settler state than some village in the north
Hezbollah is still targets settlements in the north causing significant damage to the infrastructure there. Metula is practically wiped out.
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So elections give a maniac the right to commit genocide according to the US.
They love their foreign purchased "elections". OMG the Messiah Trump is gonna save us all!



Iran has ordered Chinese VN22 AFVs.
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Hezbollah published photos of the victims of the pager attack still conducting operations. One person appears to be assembling a fixed wing UAV, another appears to be launching missiles, a blind person doing comms? etc.
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Israelis crossing the river for a photo op before retreating. They also left some graffiti in a church disrespecting Mary.
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Another church event. This time a gay marriage. So cute.
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More indiscriminate bombings against civilians.
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