Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Michael90 said:
So you really belive that KSA and Arab states leaders care about the Palestinians?lol
They might have some personal.feelings for Palestinian sufferings but they will in no way put their country's economic and strategic interests in jeopardy for the Palestinians.
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Believe it or not, the source of your argument is nonsense propaganda from Washington.

Michael90 said:
They already gave up on eliminating Israel after trying several times in the late 40s to 70s invane. They have come to accept reality that Israel isn't going anywhere and that they will need to come to terms with living with Israel in the region for the long term. So some form of settlement and peace deal was imperative. I think all sides need to come to some form of understanding and make a deal with some concessions. Those thinking they can still eliminate Israel and retake Palestinian lands by force will only play in Israels hand and justify use of force which at the moment is in Israels favour. So yeah it's a complex issue. That's realpolitik unfortunately.
KSA and Arab states considered Iran to be their biggest threat since the islamic revolution and Ayatollahs hijacking power in Iran, since they rightly view this as the biggest threat to their rule even today with islamists groups/muslim brotherhood being against the monarchy regime in the Arab world. Reason they despise islamists groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim brotherhood, Islamic Jihad etc etc
Their apprehension have calmed down with time but they are still wary of the Ayatollah regime in Tehran more than anybody else. Israel is not viewed as an existential threat for them in this regard(and rightly so, since Israel has no issue with Arab government/leadership model), Iran is for obvious reason. So I think ironically, the Iranian Islamic revolution was a good thing for Israel in this regard since it made the Arab countries to have to face a new more powerful enemy and thus take attention away from Israel who used to be the only country the Arabs viewed as an enemy back then and thus they could focus only on them, that changed with the Islamic revolution in Iran.
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Arab's biggest threat is not Iran but being overthrown by their own people, hence why they keep a weak military that'll never be able to conduct a coup, and rely almost entirely on the US for protection both internal and external. And that is precisely why the Arabs stopped chasing Israel.. because the US exploited the situation: "accept Israel or be run over like Libya and Iraq".

Israel only survives because of Arab corruption. The day these corrupt Arab regimes fail to subdue their population (i.e. when America loses it's strength), the people will revolt and that'll be a dark day for Israel. As much as you'd like to wish on the contrary, the Arab people are overwhelmingly anti-Israel, including the Coptic and Assyrian Christians. Both the religious conservatives and non-religious liberals despise Israel. Israel's actions only exacerbate this view, and nowadays that view has spread globally.

TK3600 said:
The resentment to Israel is growing universally across spectrum. Iranian muslim, indonesian muslim, Chinese athiest, Russian orthodox, pro-ukraine europeans, liberals opposing genocides, communists, white nationalists, American realists seeking to contain China, and above all countries around Israel.
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And more worryingly for Zionists, Israeli academics themselves are challenging Israel and Zionism.

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The New Historians
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are a loosely defined group of
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historians who have challenged traditional versions of Israeli history and played critical role in refuting some of Israel's foundational myths,
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including Israel's role in the
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and Arab willingness to discuss peace.
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Many have already left Israel.
 
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My other "protracted warfare" post was deleted (undeserved imo) but I want reinterate that while there is are many anti-islamic Iranians in Canada. My experience with them is that they are far from pro-Israel. The younger liberal Iranians seems straight up anti-zionist. Not out of religious dogma, just human natural reaction of anti-genocide. So framing Islamists as sole anti-zionist view is incorrect. It may started that way but it escalated.
 
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IOF gathered at the wrong spot

Remember the recent Israeli crackdown on the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, accusing it of labeling Palestinians as 'freedom fighters'? Well, it's worse than that:
Sanctions, apartheid, illegal settlements..

Now that's one lethal IED!

Huge fire in Galilee after Hezbollah rocket strikes an IOF factory
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Portugal-flagged German vessel from Vietnam carrying explosives destined to Israel rejected from docking in every country except Egypt.
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Vietnam???

TK3600 said:
My other "protracted warfare" post was deleted (undeserved imo) but I want reinterate that while there is are many anti-islamic Iranians in Canada. My experience with them is that they are far from pro-Israel. The younger liberal Iranians seems straight up anti-zionist. Not out of religious dogma, just human natural reaction of anti-genocide. So framing Islamists as sole anti-zionist view is incorrect. It may started that way but it escalated.
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You haven't met the Kurds yet. Most of them hate Iran, Syria, Iraq and Turkey, hence natural allies of Israel, but... they hate Israel even more despite no conflict between them. Then there are the Assyrian Christians of northern Iraq and western Syria who aren't on the best of terms with the Muslims but are in love with the fact that their ancient kings annihilated and enslaved the Jews.
 
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