Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

iBBz

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It's not a win to live in 3rd world conditions for 70 years and get spent as cheap currency by supposed allies. I think people really need to seperate grand strategy from realities on the ground.

Despite unpopularity, gulf states have allowed Israeli unfettered access to their airspace to strike at lebenon and Iran. This would be unthinkable even 30 years ago. If anything Israeli position in the ME has only solidified.

Crown prince of SA really just said out loud what many ME leaders think. Palestine is simply not an important issue for them, just a useful tool to stoke some fervour amongst the population, It is also a useful bargaining chip when dealing with the US.

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I don't know if that statement by MBS did happen or not, but regardless of that MBS is a joke when it comes to the Palestinian suffering. I also agree with you on the Israeli position being strengthened in the region, however, I think their position is far weaker today than it ever was. With that being said, I never said the Palestinians were fighting to win the approval of the insatiable and obnoxious Saudis. The Palestinians are fighting for their own right to exist, because regardless of what the US is doing to them today, they didn't have much of a life prior to that and they still existed in an open air prison where they worked as slave labourers for the occupation and many relied on foreign aid. Even Yahya said something about gazing at the sea but never being able to see what exists on the other side. Maybe that sounds like a life worth living to you, it doesn't to them.
 

Michael90

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If giving people the best living standards is the only thing governments do then Western countries wouldn't be fighting all over the world trying to impose their will on others. Its human nature to not just look at money or comfort, humans also look for security and if they are secure enough, they look for dominance. Religious, ethnic feelings have put many historical countries into huge wars they didn't want. Arab muslims have their own pride due to their historical glories and I don't think they like Gulf arab leader bowing their heads to US. This is the big reason that Al Qaeda did the 911 attacks. Frustration against Arab leaders was a big reason for the rise of terrorism.

Muslims tolerate Israel not because they like Israel, its because they don't have enough power to destroy it yet. But that is changing. All poor countries are getting richer and more developed. They now have sophisticated Arms industry that they didn't have.

The more powerful muslims get, they more they will want US and its ally Israel out of their land. Even former pro-US turkey is becoming anti-Israel these days because it is also getting powerful and no longer needs to bow to US. If gulf arab leaders make themselves unpopular by being pro-israel then this might be the trigger that causes a coup or a revolution that kicks them out. No amount of monetary comfort is enough if there are political discontent.
I didn't say giving a good living standard and good life to your people as a leader/government is the ONLY thing governments do or should do. I said it is ( or should be) the priority for every leader or government and that's the first thing the average person in a country looks at first and foremost not foriegn policy ( which is secondary to vast majority of the people or even inconsequential/irrelevant to some). Reason I said I this regard the Ayatollahs in Iran has far more chance of being toppled by its people than the Gulf Arab states governments. :)
Moroever, yeah of course that applies to Western countries as well, our governments first and foremost look after the peoples living standards and well being, if they don't they will be replaced and people demand accountability from them by all means and criticise them vehetmently publicly when they feel its not been done to their satisfaction which unfortunately is not the case in some countries since doing so is seen as being anti state or even a public enemy in some countries.
 

W20

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We are a billion people living in the core of the Western Empire (USA, Canada, UK, EU, Aus, NZ) Club of Heirs of the British Empire

We are cattle and at best we have been reduced to the political condition of medieval peasants while our Masters commit all kinds of atrocities, the recent list of atrocities is enormous since (2003-) we are going to unleash Chaos and Terror in Iraq and send half a million Iraqis to hell because the Likud has asked for it in front of the television cameras in Congress in Washington

The savage and sadistic Zionist regime is the god of the Club of Heirs of the British Empire. And it is logical

The Zionist regime, that is "our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) was founded (1917-) by the British Empire and an invasion of fanatic and violent Lithuanians, Byelorussians, Poles and Ukrainians, who unleashed terror (1936-) on the population and have been carrying out massacres for almost ninety years to make clear who is the dominant people, the "HerrenVolk", and who is the subjugated population

The Zionist regime is pure barbarism, it does not recognize as citizens a good part of the population that lives in ghettos without civil rights and under military domination of artillery and aviation, it does not want to be a Civilized state because that would mean recognizing as Citizens the local population

Indeed this is the god of the West

a wild Viking horde that worships itself, and its mental software is a fusion of Roman imperial ideology with a strong impulse of global Domination and the bloody fantasies of a rag doll in hands of Aramaic ventriloquists that in the book of Deuteronomy says: you will offer peace, and if they say peace you will enslave them, and if they don't like the idea you will expel them or exterminate them

This is the god of the West

This is the bloody, wild, capricious and drunken god of the West

But you tell us (and you are right) that the Western cattle live well in their stable and in their mental prison built with children's narrative, clouds of fantasy and tons and tons of silence in the face of so much atrocity
 

W20

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Yes

Yes

The historically correct expression (1839-) is

Club of Heirs, Vassals and Disciples of the British Empire

USA, Canada, UK, EU, Aus, NZ ... and ... Japan
 

plawolf

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It’s kinda amazing yet totally unsurprising that some people from certain parts of the world can watch all the horrific and near systematic human suffering the Palestinians are enduring and feel the rest of the world is being ‘biased’ in ‘overreacting’ to that with basic human compassion and sympathy, and somehow think they only react that way as some elaborate ‘evil’ scheme to make Israel look bad because they all secretly hate Jews.

When reality itself makes people instinctively disgusted with your actions, and when your government has to go full mafia to stop the truth being told to the world, it’s genuinely time to ask yourself:

 

sheogorath

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It’s kinda amazing yet totally unsurprising that some people from certain parts of the world can watch all the horrific and near systematic human suffering the Palestinians are enduring and feel the rest of the world is being ‘biased’ in ‘overreacting’ to that with basic human compassion and sympathy, and somehow think they only react that way as some elaborate ‘evil’ scheme to make Israel look bad because they all secretly hate Jews.

When reality itself makes people instinctively disgusted with your actions, and when your government has to go full mafia to stop the truth being told to the world, it’s genuinely time to ask yourself:


It is ironic. Israelis are leaning hard on every antisemitic stereotype out there, but the actual antisemites are the ones who oppose them, it seems.
 

iBBz

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Another village blown up

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our governments first and foremost look after the peoples living standards and well being, if they don't they will be replaced and people demand accountability from them by all means
This is the parallel universe/delusion part that I was talking about a few days back.
 
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