Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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Ayatollah Khamenei hinted there will be a retaliation in most recent statements after the Israeli strikes. It will likely be a big strike against Israeli military infrastructure that will hamper the war efforts in Gaza and south Lebanon. I doubt Iran would hit Israel’s critical infrastructure as that would be a major escalation unless Israel hit their own infrastructure. I also don’t think Iran this time will give warning. It will come out of the blue.
Another thing I want to highlight is that the invasion of South Lebanon is becoming a bigger debacle than 2006. Israel is taking serious losses. 12 killed on Friday and 7 more yesterday. The wounded in action number is horrific. They keep falling into these Hezbollah ambushes, come under rocket and atgm fire. Everyone knew this was going to happen but nothing beats Israeli arrogance and stupidity. They say they are going to end the land war in 2-3 weeks. I don’t know how they’ll explain to the people after they withdraw that they still can’t go to the north.
Another thing I want to highlight is that the invasion of South Lebanon is becoming a bigger debacle than 2006. Israel is taking serious losses. 12 killed on Friday and 7 more yesterday. The wounded in action number is horrific. They keep falling into these Hezbollah ambushes, come under rocket and atgm fire. Everyone knew this was going to happen but nothing beats Israeli arrogance and stupidity. They say they are going to end the land war in 2-3 weeks. I don’t know how they’ll explain to the people after they withdraw that they still can’t go to the north.
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kwaigonegin
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Depends on your definition of win. Hezbollah has definitely suffered more human and material loses than IDF. Their leadership have been decimated.
Israel cannot conduct a total war because it would be a political suicide for them.
Also Vietnam is a very bad example. Not sure why people keep bringing up that as some sort of a gold standard for lost LOL. It's as much a political war as it is a military one.
The US withdrew. It didn't lose. It withdrew due to political and social pressure stateside. A lost would be like Nazi Germany or Japan in WWII or Gen Lee's army in the civil war. It would be signing of defeat or surrender and incapitation of the political and military structure.
Trying to redefine winning now? US’ goal was to prevent the communist north from taking over the entire country. It failed. By most people’s definition, that’s losing.
Ditto for Afghanistan.
Wars a won by achieving your objectives. Not by how many civilians you kill. North Vietnam won, America lost, The Taliban took over, America lost. Hezbollah managing to depopulate the settlements and force Isn'treal to play chicken in southern Lebanon, Isreal lost (As of now).
They set the objective to take over Vietnam or at least south Vietnam, and ended up with nothing. They both withdrew and lost.
Because of massive losses and defeat on land objectives.
Thats a take that goes against every historian. When the 8 nation alliance fought the Qing, it didn't end with the total surrender, incapitation of their political and military structure of Qing, does that mean they didn't lose? The vast majority of wars do not end in total annexation, you're saying those wars have no winners and losers?
Not IDF but NATO will cause a lot of damage in the region. Not sure about winning; they don't perform well against asymmetric warfare, but region will destabilize if that is their intent.
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You'd be surprised how many Arabs already hate Iran more than Israel.
This time is different than 2006, back then Israel didn't have a globally condemned genocide on their hand, wasn't under a Red Sea blockade from Yemen, didn't have Iranian missiles raining down on their capital and major airbases, people didn't know Israel had no ability and/or didn't dare to retaliate against Iran strike in any non-trivial capacity, in 2006 their enemies weren't receiving direct ISR and military support from Russia and likely China, and in 2006 Russia didn't have massive incentive to get back at the west for Ukraine.
This is it for Israel, they either achieve total victory, or they try again in another 800 years.
Iran can get unlimited amount of solid rocket fuel from Russia, even the idea of attacking it is a joke, let alone the claim that the small building that might have at most minor damage if you squint are fuel production facilities.
Israel claimed they deployed half their combat airforce, just the fact that people have to look hard for any indication of damage already means it failed spectacularly. The only question is whether Israeli missiles were intercepted, or they were never fired because the fighters have to turn back outside strike range to avoid getting shot down.
Put in context with Iran raining missiles on Israel's capital and main airbase, Hezbollah putting a hole in Bibi's house, and Houthis hitting Tel Aviv with BM even just today, and all the tough talk Israel put out over the last 3 weeks, everyone on the planet knows Israel's humiliation is total.
By your logic, Russia can't lose against Ukraine unless Ukraine annexes Moscow. And since Russia inflicted far more territorial and personnel losses on Ukraine than the reverse so even if Ukraine regains 99% of its territory today, Russia still won.
Do you actually believe that?