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Atomicfrog

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Kejora said:
This shows that Iran still lack the ISR capability of Russia and China. In Ukraine, Russia has managed to strike individual buildings and vehicles and even trains with Iskander and Kinzhal.
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Cost and availability of good guidance systems are a big part of it.

Availability is you just don't have the capability to achieve it. Shorter range Fateh-110 are supposed to have a CEP of 100m. Maybe not enough to strike a building but well enough to spray an airbase. Don't know if their long range like the Shahab-3 could have similar precision.

Cost could mean for example that you can have 10 unprecise inertial guidance ballistic missiles or one precise gps guided missile prone to ECM. You add the chance between one precise trying to bypass the defense vs 10 unprecise ones. Numbers against a single building is still not enough if you have over 100m of CEP...
 
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Index

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SolarWarden said:
Little bit more effort in searching and you could find stuff like this...

Satellite Imagery of Nevatim Airbase After Iranian Missile Attack-- Minimal Damage​


I'm pretty sure there is more out there
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Wow hang on there @SolarWarden! How did you manage to dig up those April airstrike pics so fast?

Your mouse trigger finger is swifter than the ayatollah's missiles! Impressive.

Do you usually share such fast finds with the guys sitting next to you? If I was you, I'd not. You're a hard worker and you alone should have more credit for working so hard and fast. I know how unforgiving corporate culture can be.

Keep your cards close to your chest and keep being the most effective trooper there can be!
 
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Atomicfrog said:
Cost and availability of good guidance systems are a big part of it.

Availability is you just don't have the capability to achieve it. Shorter range Fateh-110 are supposed to have a CEP of 100m. Maybe not enough to strike a building but well enough to spray an airbase. Don't know if their long range like the Shahab-3 could have similar precision.

Cost could mean for example that you can have 10 unprecise inertial guidance ballistic missiles or one precise gps guided missile prone to ECM. You add the chance between one precise trying to bypass the defense vs 10 unprecise ones. Numbers against a single building is still not enough if you have over 100m of CEP...
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If the target is destruction of Israeli aircraft, most of them are in hardened hangers, I doubt a CEP of even 10m is enough to guarantee destruction unless it landed directly on top.

Noted those are sizable explosions, and given that most of them landed within the general area of the Israeli airbase, infrastructure should be at least pretty dinged up.
 
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jiajia99

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RottenPanzer said:
How the hell did the Iranian missile strike didn't even leave ANY significant damage whatsoever?!

And only managed to kill 1 GUY and he wasn't even Israeli?!
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Lots of gaslighting and the west hiding the truth about the fact that so many Iranian missiles actually got through to hit something instead of being intercepted as per usual, proving the fact that the Iron dome is not the end all or be all. Always better to wait for the truth to come out instead of listening just to western sources as of now, otherwise you wouldn’t get twitter feeds of Netanyahu running like a sissy to a bunker coming out of the west, if they could hide that one since it really does help to screw his image of a tough leader over
 
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Zichan

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FairAndUnbiased said:
During ascent the missile nosecone gets heated but the nosecone isn't the warhead for modern weapons which have MIRVs and decoys inside the nose cone. The nose cone is discarded to deploy them.
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That’s a good point, but it applies to ICBMs not the missiles Iran fired. Some studies I read posited a temperature in the range of 300-400K for MRBM.

ICBMs are more challenging for the additional reason that they spend a longer time in space and cool down more. nonetheless, SM-3 intercepted an ICBM in a test 4 years ago.
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IR also provides no ranging information, and the field of view is narrow so a fast moving object quickly leaves its field of view.
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How fast will depend on the geometry of the engagement. SM-3s seeker homes on target in end game using proportional navigation.
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Only radar that is close enough and within the radar horizon of the target can actually track with bearing and ranging information.
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That’s true. A radar like THAAD will go even further and generate a 3D image to discriminate the warhead from decoys, cone cover and spent stages.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Zichan said:
That’s a good point, but it applies to ICBMs not the missiles Iran fired. Some studies I read posited a temperature in the range of 300-400K for MRBM.

ICBMs are more challenging for the additional reason that they spend a longer time in space and cool down more. nonetheless, SM-3 intercepted an ICBM in a test 4 years ago.

How fast will depend on the geometry of the engagement. SM-3s seeker homes on target in end game using proportional navigation.

That’s true. A radar like THAAD will go even further and generate a 3D image to discriminate the warhead from decoys, cone cover and spent stages.
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IDK what missiles Iran fired but SBIR looks for exhaust plumes and side aspect engines. It is very difficult to have the dynamic range to both distinguish engine exhaust temperatures (to characterized type of missile) and to pick out a 400 K object on a 300 K background.

And also if the missiles Iran fires had decoys, they were in the nosecone.
 
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eduds6

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Wow the amount of massed propaganda, and now selected interception videos of god know what from US media to attempt to hide the damage from public. How much cope. Unbelievable. Yet satellite public images reported as blocked in some services. What does the US and Israel want to hide?
 
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tokenanalyst

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eduds6 said:
Wow the amount of massed propaganda, and now selected interception videos of god know what from US media to attempt to hide the damage from public. How much cope. Unbelievable. Yet satellite public images reported as blocked in some services. What does the US and Israel want to hide?
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Bibi need to hide it from the public because he want to keep the support for the war, they are doing the same with Hezbollah rockets attacks, they hide the damage. For the Israelis it must feel great to see damage of their collective punishment on Gaza but the definitly don't want to see that close to home.

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