Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

obj 705A

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so far the only group that is effective in fighting Israel is Hamas. Hezbolah has proven itself to be amateurs at protecting their leaderships when compared to Hamas.

the Houthis, while courageous and quite effective at applying economic pressure through their interceptions of merchant vessels but they can't directly get involved on the ground against Israel and those few successful missile launches against Israel aren't gonna tip the scales. as long as the best these missiles can do is cause panic and some material dmg but fail to actually take out an F-35 then these attacks aren't gonna be game changers.

the so called "resistance" in Iraq is a joke. the main priority of this "resistance" is not to liberate Palestine but it is to aquire as many Tahoes & Landcruisers. you know how the "resistance" people move around in Iraq? they don't do it in APCs or IFVs or in tunnels instead they do it in a 50 vehicle column of Tahoes, Escalades & Lexuses. these people have lived in too much luxury and corruption for them to be willing to throw all these luxury cars away for the sake of Palestine. you may get few people here & there who fire off a single drone against Israel but in general the Tahoe & Escalade resistance ain't gonna sacrifice anything for Palestine.
 

tankphobia

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Zero proof of such infiltration. And on the contrary, Hezbollah's attacks inside Israel have caused the entire northern area settlers to flee many months ago, unable to return. You can hear this everyday even in Israeli media "we will defeat Hezbollah, and move settlers back, etc".
Evacuation of the north vs repeated bombing of the capital makes the outcome of this conflict seem pretty clear cut. From the pager attack to repeated killing of high ranking Hezbollah commanders in the last 2 weeks makes it seem like there's more Mossad than Hezbollah members in Hezbollah itself.

Oh I'll just bomb cities and your hero/leader, response is some rocket attacks that mostly got intercepted. A burning bus is celebrated as a great victory while in Beirut apartment blocks are getting flattened.

Of all middle east leaders, at least the Saudi crown prince is honest about what he thinks about Israel/Palestine conflict.

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Arij Javaid

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so far the only group that is effective in fighting Israel is Hamas. Hezbolah has proven itself to be amateurs at protecting their leaderships when compared to Hamas.

the Houthis, while courageous and quite effective at applying economic pressure through their interceptions of merchant vessels but they can't directly get involved on the ground against Israel and those few successful missile launches against Israel aren't gonna tip the scales. as long as the best these missiles can do is cause panic and some material dmg but fail to actually take out an F-35 then these attacks aren't gonna be game changers.

the so called "resistance" in Iraq is a joke. the main priority of this "resistance" is not to liberate Palestine but it is to aquire as many Tahoes & Landcruisers. you know how the "resistance" people move around in Iraq? they don't do it in APCs or IFVs or in tunnels instead they do it in a 50 vehicle column of Tahoes, Escalades & Lexuses. these people have lived in too much luxury and corruption for them to be willing to throw all these luxury cars away for the sake of Palestine. you may get few people here & there who fire off a single drone against Israel but in general the Tahoe & Escalade resistance ain't gonna sacrifice anything for Palestine.
Thats because Israel is militarily superior to all the surrounding states in the middle east. The only state that can rival Israel and defeat them in a war is Turkey.

So for all the proxies Iran has. The best they can do is to wage a war of attrition against Israel. It is Israel's only weakness. A prolonged warfare that slowly depletes resources and Israel's economy while US is overburdened with supporting 2 fronts, Ukraine and Israel

However, the bad side to this strategy is that Israel will always get the better of their adversaries in exchange and will continue to kill more for less.
 

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Israel says it has killed Hizbollah chief Hassan Nasralla​

Israel’s military says it has killed Hizbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah in a massive strike on Beirut, in the latest devastating blow to the Lebanese militant group.

The strike in southern Beirut was part of an intense bombardment carried out by Israeli forces over the past 24 hours, with its fighter jets bombing numerous sites in a wave of attacks in southern and eastern Lebanon.
 

Minm

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so far the only group that is effective in fighting Israel is Hamas. Hezbolah has proven itself to be amateurs at protecting their leaderships when compared to Hamas.

the Houthis, while courageous and quite effective at applying economic pressure through their interceptions of merchant vessels but they can't directly get involved on the ground against Israel and those few successful missile launches against Israel aren't gonna tip the scales. as long as the best these missiles can do is cause panic and some material dmg but fail to actually take out an F-35 then these attacks aren't gonna be game changers.

the so called "resistance" in Iraq is a joke. the main priority of this "resistance" is not to liberate Palestine but it is to aquire as many Tahoes & Landcruisers. you know how the "resistance" people move around in Iraq? they don't do it in APCs or IFVs or in tunnels instead they do it in a 50 vehicle column of Tahoes, Escalades & Lexuses. these people have lived in too much luxury and corruption for them to be willing to throw all these luxury cars away for the sake of Palestine. you may get few people here & there who fire off a single drone against Israel but in general the Tahoe & Escalade resistance ain't gonna sacrifice anything for Palestine.
If Hezbollah is so weak, why haven't the terrorists Jews invaded Lebanon yet? Hamas is in the best possible position to kill terrorist Jews. If they just bombed Gaza without going in, it would look the same as Lebanon. But it looks like the invasion is coming soon. We should reserve our judgement until we see what happens once the situation is comparable
 

obj 705A

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We should reserve our judgement until we see what happens once the situation is comparable
obviously we have to wait and see how well Hezbolah reorganizes itself after the shock and mass assassinations of it's leaders and we will only know that once the actual ground battle starts.
however that doesn't change the fact that Hezbolah performed much worse than Hamas on the intelegence front in terms of protecting their leadership. in this regard Hamas was objectively better.
 

Sinnavuuty

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obviously we have to wait and see how well Hezbolah reorganizes itself after the shock and mass assassinations of it's leaders and we will only know that once the actual ground battle starts.
however that doesn't change the fact that Hezbolah performed much worse than Hamas on the intelegence front in terms of protecting their leadership. in this regard Hamas was objectively better.
I very much doubt that this will happen. Only two leaders are alive (Karaki and Ali Rida) and there has been a compromise of Hezbollah communications, not to mention the continuous attacks on resistance depots and warehouses. The truth is that they have suffered a blow that they could hardly reorganize to form a cohesive response.
 

Michael90

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Gotta give it to Israel for also joining in the hype of hezbollahs capability. I mean how many times did we hear from pro hezbo/axis that hezbollah has significantly upgraded its capability from 2006 and with 150k+ rockets and missiles Israel would be doomed in a new war with hezbollah. It just shows how much fanboys don't know much about anything. The whole hezbollah leadership is gone all while Iran sits on their hands and says hezbollah who?

Iran better start preparing for an Israeli strike because once they are done with taking out hezbollahs ability to launch mass salvos of missiles they will be hitting Iran next. Hezbollah screwed up bigtime when they decided to attack Israel after Oct 7th... If they stay out of it Israel would have had no reason to do what they have done to hezbollah. Talk about FAFO for hezbollah.
You make a good point. But let's not also exaggerate or over inflate things. It's true that Israeli military capabilities and intelligence are superior in the whole region as I said earlier. However, others are not completely impotent.
Anyway, this news is not surprising. Israel has always had an edge in the region. So this conflict will.go on like others I.e Israel will try and degrade her opponents and then when they think they have done enough damage and maintain their deterence they will pull back until the time they think their opponents have grown or regain some semblance of threat again. Same rules old trick.
 
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Michael90

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obviously we have to wait and see how well Hezbolah reorganizes itself after the shock and mass assassinations of it's leaders and we will only know that once the actual ground battle starts.
however that doesn't change the fact that Hezbolah performed much worse than Hamas on the intelegence front in terms of protecting their leadership. in this regard Hamas was objectively better.
Hmmm...I don't particularly think Hamas is more capable compared to hezbollah.
 
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