Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

As usual, people are getting overly excited over what amounts to fog of war.

It wasn't that long ago that people were saying Israel was looking for a war with Hezbollah because they were geared toward fighting a conventional war and Hamas was giving them a bloody nose.

Why is it so surprising now that Israel is doing exactly that?

i always love the "its true because israel said/is confident about it" analysis, much the same epistemological backing of "ukraine said so its true" analytical framework

There's a lot of hype right now about Israel's doing, but without striking and crippling/regime changing Iran, its militia groups will reconstitute themselves in time even if Israel sets them to zero. Israel alone cannot and will not damage Iran to such a degree, and the US won't deal with the Houthis, so expecting it to attack Iran is delusional.

Iran either already or is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear weapons state, and it's already demonstrated its ability to attack Israel with accurate ballistic missiles. This takes such existential threats against it off the table.

So even if Israel wipes the floor with Hezbollah, it's "gg, see you in a decade."

obj 705A said:

it makes sense that if Israel was able to sneek in thousands of explosive pagers then that also means Mossad has extensively infiltrated a big part of Hezbolah's comunications. Hezbolah is an organization that has been infiltrated to the core.

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Targetting civilians enmasse with explosives and claiming to have killed Hezbollah holds as much weight as capturing OBL and throwing him into the sea. May I remind you again that you are fixing your arguments on a claim that was never verified?

obj 705A said:

so far Hezbolah has proven itself to be much weaker than Hamas. whats the use of all these rockets and extra soldiers that Hezbolah has over Hamas if Hezbolah has been thoroughly infiltrated down to their underwear.

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Zero proof of such infiltration. And on the contrary, Hezbollah's attacks inside Israel have caused the entire northern area settlers to flee many months ago, unable to return. You can hear this everyday even in Israeli media "we will defeat Hezbollah, and move settlers back, etc".

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SolarWarden said:

Hezbollah screwed up bigtime when they decided to attack Israel after Oct 7th... If they stay out of it Israel would have had no reason to do what they have done to hezbollah.

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that is where I would disagree, Israel would have invaded Lebanon eventualy whether Hezbolah attacked or not. the only case in which Israel would not have attacked is if Hezbolah volunteraly disarmed disbanded itself. and even that is no guarantee that Israel would not have invaded at some point.

The mistake that Hezbolah did was purely a military/intelegence mistake. how come the supposedly less capable Hamas was able to shield itself better from Mossad infiltration than Hezbolah! Iran is also deeply infiltrated, after all Mossad was able to reach and kill the former Iranian president on Iranian soil even before the Iranian intelegence and military themselves could reach their own president.

BREAKING: One hour ago, a huge Hezbollah barrage targeted northern Israel; the damage is being assessed

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BREAKING: Another Hezbollah attack, covering the entire North in Red Alerts

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Israel is censoring everything in the north.


NEW: The IDF calls up an additional 3 reserve battalions to the border with Lebanon

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we have yet to hear of any F-35 being taken out. even Hezbolah themselves have yet to claim to have taken out an F-35. is it that difficult to take out hostile aircrafts while they are still on the ground!

Urgent | Channel 12 Israel, citing an informed source: The assassination of Hassan Nasrallah was successful.


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some people would probably claim that losing leaderships is not that important because they can be replaced and you know what? the last part is right, yes you can replace the dead leader but seeing as how Mossad has deeply infiltrated Hezbolah whoever it is that succeeds Nasrallah is gonna have a lifespan of few days before he too would get taken out and the same thing will happen to the 3rd, 4th, 5th successor etc..

obj 705A said:

we have to hear of any F-35 being taken out. even Hezbolah themselves have yet to claim to have taken out an F-35. is it that difficult to take out hostile aircrafts while they are still on the ground!

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They probably hide them underground in the south of the country or even outside Israel.

Hezbollah isn't Russia. It isn't even Israel. They can't effectively strike rear areas, it's not like they can raise a few Kinzhal or Iskander to do loops inside enemy airspace. Instead, they're attacking the north first, to destroy air defenses there, then they'll target the south once the north is unable to shoot missiles passing over it.

RedBaron said:

Israel is censoring everything in the north.

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it's like what Scott Ritter said: just because they are censoring the events on the battlefield doesn't mean Hezbolah's attacks hit their targets. even when things are in your favor you need to prevent information from reaching your enemy so they don't know what does and doesn't work.