Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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The fundamental problem is that any extreme supremacy only lasts for 1 era.. if you don't continuously improve and reform you can only coast on reputation for so long.

The Spanish conquered Aztecs and Inca once in 1500s. Then the rest were immunized and it took industrialization (and the resulting huge population advantage), railroads and automatic cannon to take out iron age hunter gatherer horse archers in the American west in 1800s.

China lost once, to steam power, in 1840s. But then was able to resist Japan with heavy internal combustion engines, tanks and planes with early industrial age tech like bolt action rifles and explosives.

Diffusion of technology and ideas guarantees this. And with the internet, lessons learned filter down in months, not decades.
 
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Overbom

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LawLeadsToPeace said:
saying that the Saudi government had repeatedly warned “of the dangers of the explosion of the situation as a result of the continued occupation, the deprivation of the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights and the repetition of systemic provocations against its sanctities.”
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LawLeadsToPeace said:
The statement took Mr. Biden and several of his top aides by surprise, people with knowledge of the events said, and it angered American lawmakers who have supported the negotiations.
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Only Biden and his "top-tier" foreign policy "wonks" would feel blindsided when this was the easiest statement that Saudi Arabia ever made to score PR points.

Truly elite strategists they have over there
 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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Cont: past performance doesn't guarantees future success. US had success in WW2 yet failed in Korea and Vietnam just 10-30 years later. It got complacent. Then it stomped Iraq as they learned lessons and reformed while Iraq was still fighting like Vietnam without the geographic, population and diplomatic advantage of Vietnam. I remember an Iraqi general saying that the US would never be able to target them through the dust storms. Dust stops laser guided bombs. This was true. But by desert storm the US had GPS guided munitions and could just hit a position without seeing it or targeting it with a laser.

Today we see Pal.est.inians deploying the latest tech like encrypted mobile phones and drones to modern pickup trucks which allows strategic mobility and ISR that used to require APCs and helicopters.
 
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sheogorath

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siegecrossbow said:
Latest cope I've read is -- I kid you not -- that homemade RPGs fly too slowly to get picked up by Trophy.

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I could buy with FPS drones or the drones droping rounds from above but I was pretty sure Trophy's point was to defeat ATGM's and RPG's.

I mean, I don't see Hamas or Hizbollah firing to many APFSDS rounds at Israeli tanks to make that Trophy's main target.
 
solarz

solarz

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sunnymaxi said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711433003627397516

BREAKING NEWS - IDF instructs Israelis to prepare for 3-day stay in bomb shelters/secure rooms, ensure supply of food, water, battery-run devices in case power is down. This is a clear indication of imminent escalation into larger war...

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711434024671953150

BREAKING: The Israeli ground invasion into Gaza will start tonight..
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@plawolf

Looks like you called this one wolfie!
 
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B777LR

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Cont: past performance doesn't guarantees future success. US had success in WW2 yet failed in Korea and Vietnam just 10-30 years later. It got complacent. Then it stomped Iraq as they learned lessons and reformed while Iraq was still fighting like Vietnam without the geographic, population and diplomatic advantage of Vietnam. I remember an Iraqi general saying that the US would never be able to target them through the dust storms. Dust stops laser guided bombs. This was true. But by desert storm the US had GPS guided munitions and could just hit a position without seeing it or targeting it with a laser.
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GPS guided bombs weren't deployed until 1999. Desert Storm was still laser and TV guided munitions, and they did have problems.
 
plawolf

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All I can say is that like America, Israel is going to pay a heavy price for having an idiot clown as it’s leader.

I am strictly neutral on this subject, and even I am facepalming at the arrogant stupidity of Netanyahu.

If Hezbollah enters the war, it would be because Netanyahu made it impossible for them not to.

It should have been clear to anyone with half a brain that the sporadic intrusions and rocket fire from Lebanon was the result of rouge actor tails trying to wag the Hezbollah dog.

In the past, when the myth of Israel military invincibility was still intact, they could afford to throw their weight around and dare their opponents to step up and have a go. Now the Israeli military has been shamed and wounded and still bleeding, and Netanyahu looks like a blood-mad drunk threatening everyone around him and wanting to fight the world. All the while having the cheek to try to hide behind the skirts of American carriers on the way.

Had he played this cold, calculating, smart and patiently, he could have blockaded Gaza and sapped Hamas of strength all the while isolating Hamas diplomatically and building an international coalition to support Israel. In the meantime, the IDF would have had time to recover from the damage done to it, clear Israeli territory of Hamas fighters, give time to properly mobilise and equip the reserves. And only then go in to Gaza, weeks or months later, after Hamas has burned through most of its supplies keeping the civilian population of Gaza live under total blockades. Hell, he could have opened a humanitarian corridor, through Israel (so they can screen all leavers and make sure no one and nothing goes the other way into Gaza), to allow civilians to leave Gaza to make the fight easier for their own troops.

Instead we have this current clown show where he is rushing in like he is on Hamas’ side and looking to get as many Israelis killed as possible.
 
solarz

solarz

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H2O said:
Unless the Russians are going to be blatant about their support; taking a page out of NATO's playbook.
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In my view, the main game changer for Hamas and Hezbollah are drones. The Ukraine War opened the Pandora's Box of drones.

plawolf said:
All I can say is that like America, Israel is going to pay a heavy price for having an idiot clown as it’s leader.

I am strictly neutral on this subject, and even I am facepalming at the arrogant stupidity of Netanyahu.

If Hezbollah enters the war, it would be because Netanyahu made it impossible for them not to.

It should have been clear to anyone with half a brain that the sporadic intrusions and rocket fire from Lebanon was the result of rouge actor tails trying to wag the Hezbollah dog.

In the past, when the myth of Israel military invincibility was still intact, they could afford to throw their weight around and dare their opponents to step up and have a go. Now the Israeli military has been shamed and wounded and still bleeding, and Netanyahu looks like a blood-mad drunk threatening everyone around him and wanting to fight the world. All the while having the cheek to try to hide behind the skirts of American carriers on the way.

Had he played this cold, calculating, smart and patiently, he could have blockaded Gaza and sapped Hamas of strength all the while isolating Hamas diplomatically and building an international coalition to support Israel. In the meantime, the IDF would have had time to recover from the damage done to it, clear Israeli territory of Hamas fighters, give time to properly mobilise and equip the reserves. And only then go in to Gaza, weeks or months later, after Hamas has burned through most of its supplies keeping the civilian population of Gaza live under total blockades. Hell, he could have opened a humanitarian corridor, through Israel (so they can screen all leavers and make sure no one and nothing goes the other way into Gaza), to allow civilians to leave Gaza to make the fight easier for their own troops.

Instead we have this current clown show where he is rushing in like he is on Hamas’ side and looking to get as many Israelis killed as possible.
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It's obvious that Netanyahu is driven more by political concerns than strategic ones. We're going to be seeing a lot of bloodshed in the coming months.
 
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