Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Heresy

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So in a nut shell, you seem to be implying that the American people will protest government policies on the streets when they become apparent, rather than because hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have died and continue to die since Israel's inception.

Where is humanity...

Do you not understand Americans? These are a people who won't pass gun restrictions after half a dozen high profile, double-digit casualty count school shootings. They care about guns more than they care about their own children.

What makes you think that a vast majority of Americans even consider Palestinians human?
 

Petrolicious88

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So you are saying that the US can beat stronger enemies with sophisticated societies, but not weaker and disorganized lightly armed ones. This is trolling and time wasting. Stop going in cycles.
loll. Yes. Thats exactly what Im saying. Look up Mao's writings on guerrilla warfare against the Japanese and KMT.

Btw, Iran is stronger than the Taliban, but not stronger than the US+Israel.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Gunboat diplomacy — 1-month change in U.S. force posture in the Med + Middle East (then/now)
1x carrier strike group > 2x C
22x warships deployed > 30x
1x amphibious ready group = 1x
7x destroyers > 12x
+ USAF F-22 Squadron
+ USMC F-35C Squadron
+ SSGN Guided-missile sub
Lebanese Media is reporting that Senior U.S. Defense Officials have recently informed several Arab Nations, including Lebanon, that a Large-Scale Iranian Attack against Israel is now Imminent and expected to occurred within the next 48-72 Hours, with the Attack expected to be Limited in order to avoid an All-Out Regional War.
 

Rank Amateur

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What are you talking about??? Greek ship owners control more than one-fifth of the world’s entire fleet or 21% of the global fleet in deadweight ton (dwt) terms.

The ship that was just attacked was Greek Flagged and owned by Delta Tankers (Greek company). It either did not request or was denied escort (delta tankers have been known to operate "ghost fleets" that smuggle Russian or Iranian oil in the past). It turned off its AIS. So was it even heading to and from Israel or just the Houthis picking off what they can find.

Even if the ship was somehow proven to be carrying oil to Israel, how stupid would you be to blow up an oil tanker knowing the obvious environmental risks.



The Port of Eilat is strategic, but small in terms of trade volume. Most of Israel's goods go through the port of Haifa and Ashdod on the Mediterranean (30 and 25 millions tones/year respectively). Eliat was struggling even before Oct. 7th. It was sold/privitazed hoping it would boost traffic. It's still not connected to the core of Israel by rail networks.



Oh my lord, you are comparing Afghanistan with Iran. Iran has densely populated cities, oil infrastructure, military industrial complex, an actual economy. This is the kind of war the Pentagon is very good at.

Afghanistan was a bunch of Taliban guerrillas fighting in the mountains.

"Even if the ship was somehow proven to be carrying oil to Israel, how stupid would you be to blow up an oil tanker knowing the obvious environmental risks."

Do you condemn the United States for having used Agent Orange in Vietnam, given the resulting harm to the environment and human beings?

Do you condemn the United States for having used depleted-uranium munitions in Iraq, given the resulting harm to the environment and human beings?

If not, then STFU.
 

Petrolicious88

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"Even if the ship was somehow proven to be carrying oil to Israel, how stupid would you be to blow up an oil tanker knowing the obvious environmental risks."

Do you condemn the United States for having used Agent Orange in Vietnam, given the resulting harm to the environment and human beings?

Do you condemn the United States for having used depleted-uranium munitions in Iraq, given the resulting harm to the environment and human beings?

If not, then STFU.

Absolutely wrong, esp the use of agent orange. A whole lot of Vietnamese still love the U.S. though.
 
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mister unknown

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This can be a problem for China. Because the Gulf countries host US military bases, in the case of war, Iran will attack those too, along with any freight moving through the Persian Gulf. Trade through the Persian Gulf will be totally wrecked, exponentially worse than what Yemen has done in the Red Sea. The problem for China is that it still imports a huge percent of it's oil from Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The Gulf countries' economies will be in tatters.

A global fossil fuel disruption stemming from a US-Iran war would be both a curse & a blessing for the PRC.

In the short term, it will definitely be highly disruptive to the PRC's oil supply, & therefore the PRC's economy. However, in the mid to long term, it's also a blessing, because:

1. Oil is a heavily globalized commodity, & a disruption negatively impacts everyone. The EU will be comparably impacted. Moreover, the US - despite its own natural abundance of shale oil - will be impacted too, since its oil companies will be structurally incentivized to export every barrel of oil possible to regions where it can fetch the highest price. This inevitably drives up US domestic oil prices, impacting the rest of the 90%+ of the US economy (while profits are limited to the less than 10% of the economy that makes up the US oil & gas industry). The only options the US would have is to either allow oil exports to the detriment of its own economy, or restrict/ban oil exports & allow its vassals in Europe (& East Asia) to wither.

2. The PRC is far better equipped to handle such a disruption than anyone else among the world's net consumers of oil. Its clean-energy transition, especially its transportation electrification efforts, would be turbo charged. The PRC leads or is globally competitive in just about every aspect of the world's alternative energy value chain - be it hydro, solar, wind, nuclear, UHV power grids, vehicular & utility-scale batteries, EVs, etc. When everyone in the world inevitably seeks alternatives to oil, the PRC stands to benefit the most as the market leader in all of the aforementioned fields. Also keep in mind that the PRC has significant shale oil & gas resources of its own, even though geographical constraints make the extraction thereof unprofitable (especially compared to cheap imports). However, if oil prices shoot through the roof & stays there, then large scale domestic extraction becomes commercially viable.

3. The PRC - compared to its strategic rivals - is better positioned to diversify oil suppliers. It can (& inevitably will) divert a greater portion of its demand to land-based suppliers of the former USSR, which it should anyway to mitigate its vulnerability to any future US blockade. By contrast, US vassals in Europe & Asia would be geopolitically or geographically hobbled by comparison.

4. A sharp rise in oil prices provides immense short-term benefits to US rivals - namely Russia & Venezuela - whose oil exports would be relatively undisrupted by a war in West Asia.

Bottom line - large scale disruption of the Gulf oil supply will be hugely negative for almost everyone, but the PRC is better positioned than all of its rivals in terms of the ability to mitigate the negatives, & take advantage of the ensuing opportunities.
 

_killuminati_

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These osint guys are just CIA operating as "independent, non-MSM" media, trying to create panic with false information. The number of times they've been wrong is staggering; just rewording MSM narratives to target the niche which has given up on MSM and USG.

1. Oil is a heavily globalized commodity, & a disruption negatively impacts everyone. The EU will be comparably impacted. Moreover, the US - despite its own natural abundance of shale oil - will be impacted too, since its oil companies will be structurally incentivized to export every barrel of oil possible to regions where it can fetch the highest price.
If it comes to a major global crisis, US will just ban oil exports to save it's own ass. I highly doubt they'll export anything.

Is an explanation needed? It's agent orange.
Actually yes, it's needed because the American use of Agent Orange and DU is well-documented both in and outside America. So, to exclaim Absolutely wrong without any explanation is totally moot a contention.

Ranch Hand involved spraying an estimated 19 million U.S. gallons (72,000 m3) of defoliants and herbicides
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over rural areas of
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in an attempt to deprive the
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of food and vegetation cover. Areas of Laos and Cambodia were also sprayed to a lesser extent.
The scientific community began to protest the use of herbicides in Vietnam as early as 1964, when the
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objected to the use of defoliants.
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The
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(AAAS) issued a resolution in 1966 calling for a field investigation of the herbicide program in Vietnam.
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In 1967, seventeen
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and 5,000 other scientists signed a petition asking for the immediate end to the use of herbicides in Vietnam.
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The
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(IAEA) estimates that between 170 and 1,700 tonnes of depleted uranium was dropped in Iraq by the US military since 2003, whereas the UK reported firing 1.9 tonnes of depleted uranium weapons in said country.
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