Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Virtup said:

I just heard that Hezbollah struck Israel with 6000 rockets. What happened?

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Hezbollah fired 320 rockets and drones at various parts of Israel. Israel launched a “pre-emptive” strike but it was a decoy. Hezbollah used decoy launchers to lure much of the Israeli Air Force from Israel. And then Hezbollah fired. Hezbollah said this is the first stage of their response to the assassination of Fouad Shukur. Hezbollah is depleting Israel’s air defense stocks to prepare for the other axis of resistance factions to launch an even bigger strike at Israel.

At this point Israel is panicking because they struggled to deal with 320 drones and rockets. What will happen if it’s thousands of drones,rockets and missiles swarming at them at once? Israel either will back down which means humiliation and people losing faith on the Zionist main tenet of Israel being a safe nation for Jews. That will lead to more people leaving and their economy further declining. Or escalate even further leading to a destructive regional war that they aren’t sure they could win or even the US winning leading to the end of the state of Israel.

Moonscape said:

Sources for these points please

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What is this? Kindergarten group discussion?

You need a source to know most of Israel’s ports are along the Mediterranean’s coast or US/Israel combined have more fire power than Iran?

Petrolicious88 said:

Besides the one ship prob not truly owned by China, which of my past comments are not based on reality.

-Most of the Israeli ports are not based in the Red Sea.

-Houthi attacks on ships that have little to do with the current conflict.

-Israel is hurting but Palestine is hurting much more. After this round of conflict is over, Palestine is going to have a much harder time with recovery due to blockade.

- Iran can’t go toe to toe with US/Israel in terms of firepower. Other than symbolic retaliations, it’s forced to stand down, buy time, and build strength.

You want to talk about these points or just make accusations?? When people disruptive the narrative you trying to maintain, you discredit them. It’s a familiar tactic.

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First point the Houthi blockade has hurt Israel. The poet of Eliat as declared bankruptcy and the economy is in a deep recession. It will take Israel a decade or more to recover. Its economy is very fragile. Israelis are admitting. A former Israeli general wrote an article on Haaretz saying Israel will collapse if they fight this war of attrition against Hamas and Hezbollah for another year.

It’s obvious Palestine is hurting more. That’s a the cost of fighting a war of liberation. Look at the Algerian war of independence. Look at the Vietnam war. Wars of liberation means collective sacrifice. If they do nothing settlements will be built. So they have no other choice but to resist.

Houthis have stated numerous times that as long as the war on Gaza happens they’ll continue the Red Sea blockade. I don’t get where you are saying it has nothing to do with the current
conflict when they’ve been saying this since operations started.

If US/Israel has more firepower than Iran then what haven’t they bombed Iran by now? Why is Israel begging for western powers to protect it from Iranian missiles? Iran has more firepower than Israel and can hit Israel. Iran also can afflict terrible pain on the US presence in the Mideast. The US position in Iraq and Syria is very vulnerable. The Pentagon isn’t stupid like US politicians who think a war with Iran will be like desert storm 1991. Every war game simulated shows a war like this means a high price in casualties.
And let’s not forget the main reason why no one except the crazies in Tel Aviv wants a regional war. It would mean the collapse of the global economy and lead to an era of economic dark ages. All the Persian gulf states oil and natural gas infrastructure is within range of Iranian missiles and drones. And they’ll hit them in seconds not minutes. If they all get destroyed it will take decades to rebuild. And if they are permanently destroyed this means the global economy collapses. That’s Iran’s nuclear option.

JJD1803 said:

First point the Houthi blockade has hurt Israel. The poet of Eliat as declared bankruptcy and the economy is in a deep recession.

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Eilat was also the place where internal refugees from the Lebanon and Gaza border were being settled. The city was already complaining of being in a crisis solely due to the large influx of internal refugees, before the Yemenis even started targetting the city.

Then this happened: 40,000 residents of Eilat itself fled and became internal refugees, by Dec 2023 atleast.

And Yemenis aren't the only ones attacking Eilat,
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Overbom said:

One hundred Israeli air force jets preemptively hit thousands of Hezbollah targets​

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Could have written one thousand jets instead of one hundred, hitting millions of targets instead of thousands. Without any evidence, there is no difference between the two statements.

_killuminati_ said:

Eilat was also the place where internal refugees from the Lebanon and Gaza border were being settled. The city was already complaining of being in a crisis solely due to the large influx of internal refugees, before the Yemenis even started targetting the city.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823416879488069670

Then this happened: 40,000 residents of Eilat itself fled and became internal refugees, by Dec 2023 atleast.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1740330052007399743

And Yemenis aren't the only ones attacking Eilat,
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Could have written one thousand jets instead of one hundred, hitting millions of targets instead of thousands. Without any evidence, there is no difference between the two statements.

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Yeah until proven otherwise with footage, that is an extremely far fetched claim. Israel is very far from the capability of hitting a 1000 let alone several 1000 difficult military targets in just 1 day, even all of Russian military is barely destroying 1000 total hardware in 1 day, against enemies pushing into them on open fields, inside their home territory.

If they had actually hit a 1000+ targets, they would have killed so many Hezbollah and likely innocents that there would be an uproar on the internet.

On the other hand, I don't know if this portrends full scale war either. It seems Hezbollah hit their targets, but them being military means that the West can easily censor losses. If we were to guess Israel's current intention being deescalation, the purpose of uploading this air mission cope becomes exceedingly clear.

So if Israel doesn't want to go, it's all up to Hezbollah/Iran to keep escalating by themselves. Will they really do that?

Index said:

On the other hand, I don't know if this portrends full scale war either. It seems Hezbollah hit their targets, but them being military means that the West can easily censor losses. If we were to guess Israel's current intention being deescalation, the purpose of uploading this air mission cope becomes exceedingly clear.

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That is seeming more and more futile. Israel has fucked up today with the censoring, if the Megatron report is true.

Hezbollah targeted MOSSAD HQ in central Israel, says Israeli military.

But also this,

If this report is true, then Hezbollah hit something big.

Other sources are saying Unit 8200 of IDF (Military Intelligence, SIGINT) was targeted inside Tel Aviv.

_killuminati_ said:

Other sources are saying Unit 8200 of IDF (Military Intelligence, SIGINT) was targeted inside Tel Aviv.

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JJD1803 said:

First point the Houthi blockade has hurt Israel. The poet of Eliat as declared bankruptcy and the economy is in a deep recession. It will take Israel a decade or more to recover. Its economy is very fragile. Israelis are admitting. A former Israeli general wrote an article on Haaretz saying Israel will collapse if they fight this war of attrition against Hamas and Hezbollah for another year.

It’s obvious Palestine is hurting more. That’s a the cost of fighting a war of liberation. Look at the Algerian war of independence. Look at the Vietnam war. Wars of liberation means collective sacrifice. If they do nothing settlements will be built. So they have no other choice but to resist.

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Have heard this story before. Six - Day war, Yom Kippur war, First and Second Lebanon War. Each time the economy suffered, people left. Each time people came back, Israel recovered and thrived. Again, the worst that can happen to Israel is Two - State solution. And we are a long way from that, if ever.

Settlements have actually expanded this time. Israel has taken more land, and will prob take more land after this is over. Palestinian infrastructure totally destroyed. Polio is on the rise. Famine affecting almost entire population. Ground water that took decades to collect destroyed. Sure Israel is suffering. But there is no comparison the extent of damage between it and Palestine.

JJD1803 said:

Houthis have stated numerous times that as long as the war on Gaza happens they’ll continue the Red Sea blockade. I don’t get where you are saying it has nothing to do with the current
conflict when they’ve been saying this since operations started.

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No they actually said they will attack ships belonging to UK/US and those supplying Israel. Many of these ships attacked so far belong to other nations and were not supplying the war effort. Even if they can enforce a total blockade of Red Sea, how much damage would that do to Israel?? Most of their ports are on the Mediterranean with around 5% of the trades relying on the Red Sea port. So is Israel suffering because of the Houthis or the ongoing war effort in Gaza/Lebanon?

That greek ship that was just set ablaze was carrying 150,000 tones of crude. Was it even carrying oil to Israel?

If it leaks, the Houthis would have caused one of the biggest environmental disasters in their own backyard affecting themselves and their Arab neighbors. I guess the Houthis also expect others to clean it up for them.

JJD1803 said:

If US/Israel has more firepower than Iran then what haven’t they bombed Iran by now? Why is Israel begging for western powers to protect it from Iranian missiles? Iran has more firepower than Israel and can hit Israel. Iran also can afflict terrible pain on the US presence in the Mideast. The US position in Iraq and Syria is very vulnerable. The Pentagon isn’t stupid like US politicians who think a war with Iran will be like desert storm 1991. Every war game simulated shows a war like this means a high price in casualties.
And let’s not forget the main reason why no one except the crazies in Tel Aviv wants a regional war. It would mean the collapse of the global economy and lead to an era of economic dark ages. All the Persian gulf states oil and natural gas infrastructure is within range of Iranian missiles and drones. And they’ll hit them in seconds not minutes. If they all get destroyed it will take decades to rebuild. And if they are permanently destroyed this means the global economy collapses. That’s Iran’s nuclear option.

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Yes, thats Iran's nuclear option and will cause major causalities to Israel. But again, Iran would suffer much more. It cannot hope to win a conventional war with US/Israel and survive. What is US/Israel's nuclear option.

Petrolicious88 said:

Have heard this story before. Six - Day war, Yom Kippur war, First and Second Lebanon War. Each time the economy suffered, people left. Each time people came back, Israel recovered and thrived. Again, the worst that can happen to Israel is Two - State solution. And we are a long way from that, if ever.

Settlements have actually expanded this time. Israel has taken more land, and will prob take more land after this is over. Palestinian infrastructure totally destroyed. Polio is on the rise. Famine affecting almost entire population. Ground water that took decades to collect destroyed. Sure Israel is suffering. But there is no comparison the extent of damage between it and Palestine.



No they actually said they will attack ships belonging to UK/US and those supplying Israel. Many of these ships attacked so far belong to other nations and were not supplying the war effort. Even if they can enforce a total blockade of Red Sea, how much damage would that do to Israel?? Most of their ports are on the Mediterranean with around 5% of the trades relying on the Red Sea port. So is Israel suffering because of the Houthis or the ongoing war effort in Gaza/Lebanon?

That greek ship that was just set ablaze was carrying 150,000 tones of crude. Was it even carrying oil to Israel?

If it leaks, the Houthis would have caused one of the biggest environmental disasters in their own backyard affecting themselves and their Arab neighbors. I guess the Houthis also expect others to clean it up for them.


Yes, thats Iran's nuclear option and will cause major causalities to Israel. But again, Iran would suffer much more. It cannot hope to win a conventional war with US/Israel and survive. What is US/Israel's nuclear option.

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Settlement shrinked because people escaped from North. Anything they gained is insignificant.

Lets not caught up on who is hurt more. Israel needs Gaza erased. Gaza just need Israel to be a less desirable place for Jewish migrants than their country of origin, and keep it that way. The latter can be accomplished far easier. If done, that is most of the population fled.

Alastair Crooke says Israel imposed a ban on reporting damage to Israeli infrastructure after Hezbollah's strike.