Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Petrolicious88

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I don't know, certainly not Israel seeing how they rely on either assassinations or mass murder of civilians. And the US was kept in check by Yemen.

Iran might just have to put up with more assassinations.

There’s also a dozen U.S. ships and subs parked on Iran’s doorstep. Where are the Yemen and the Houthi’s
 

defenceman

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Iran might just have to put up with more assassinations.

There’s also a dozen U.S. ships and subs parked on Iran’s doorstep. Where are the Yemen and the Houthi’s
Hi,
in terms of Yemen you will see more and latest long range missiles, but this will depend
what kind of and how far USA is willing to provide something to Ukrainian which can poke
the bear more and more
thank you
 

FriedButter

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The Ukraine Israeli surrender ultimatum should be forming up soon. And it is about as expected when Israel is making all the terms and Hamas has no say in it.

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Israel calls on mediators to pressure Hamas into deal​

The Israeli prime minister has been quite firm in his beliefs pointing the finger at Hamas, saying they are the reason why these ceasefire-for-captives-release talks have not been successful. But Hamas has pointed the finger at Israel throughout the entire months of negotiations this summer.

In fact, Netanyahu added several “non-negotiable” conditions that he called “red lines” back in July when these talks started to pick up again. The Israelis are saying that their position is known to the mediators and that those same mediators should be applying pressure on Hamas, instead of Israel.

There have been anonymous sources speaking to Israeli media, saying that while there has been progress and there is this feeling of cautious optimism, they do want to lower expectations because they do not exactly know what’s going to happen.

As we heard from the Israeli prime minister, Israel has red lines and they are tough ones – ones that perhaps Hamas will not accept. An Israeli delegation is in Cairo meeting with mediators in hopes that talks would continue so that there can be a ceasefire deal.
As we heard from the Israeli prime minister, Israel has red lines and they are tough ones – ones that perhaps Hamas will not accept.
The Hamas source said that a permanent truce would only be discussed in the second phase of the ceasefire, and if Hamas does not agree to the Israeli conditions, the IDF would be allowed to resume military operations inside the Strip.

Hamas returns all the hostages but no permanent ceasefire will happen until phase 2. However, the US has reportedly guaranteed to allow Israel to continue the war after the phase 1 deal less then 2 weeks ago. So as soon as all the hostages are returned. The rubble of Gaza will turn into the fine sand of Gaza since domestic politics will no longer restraint them.
 

_killuminati_

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Lots of traffic in the Red Sea. Seems the Houthis were bought off or otherwise made to pipe down:

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That was the usual traffic throughout the conflict. It's a lot less than before the war started. Red Sea traffic did not halt; rather just the ships to/from Israel.

I wouldn't be surprised though if Israel made a deal with Jordan to use the Jordanian port at Aqaba which borders Eilat.

Hamas returns all the hostages but no permanent ceasefire will happen until phase 2. However, the US has reportedly guaranteed to allow Israel to continue the war after the phase 1 deal less then 2 weeks ago. So as soon as all the hostages are returned. The rubble of Gaza will turn into the fine sand of Gaza since domestic politics will no longer restraint them.
Imagine signing a peace deal with the party that has violated every deal and rule in the book. There was a temporary truce in this current war last year which Israel broke prematurely. These deals are nothing but temporary halts to reorganize the massacre more efficiently. "Release the hostages so we can pacify the domestic rioting that are impeding the genocide which we've initiated".
 

MortyandRick

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Iran might just have to put up with more assassinations.

There’s also a dozen U.S. ships and subs parked on Iran’s doorstep. Where are the Yemen and the Houthi’s
Are the Houthis supposed to protect Iran?

Are there US warships off directly off the coast of Yemen to side a signal of strength? Seems like they are avoiding that area specifically.
 

obj 705A

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I didn't realize it before but it turns out Hamas is not even participating in these negotiations because Israel made it clear any hostage exchange deal has to allow them to continue the war which Hamas obviously refused. the negotiations are happening between the US, Israel, Egypt (a vassal of the US) & Qatar (an American military base) but Hamas is not even a party in these negotiations.

that would be like.. if Ukraine says there needs to be negotiations to end the war but the negotiations are happening between Ukraine & the US without participation from Russia.

and then this clown Blinken comes out & says they are closer than ever to a hostage exchange deal. meanwhile the Israelis are basically just negotiating with themselves.

I don't know what Iran is waiting for at this point for the supposed retaliation if it ever happens when even Hamas are saying these negotiations are a sham.
 

TK3600

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I didn't realize it before but it turns out Hamas is not even participating in these negotiations because Israel made it clear any hostage exchange deal has to allow them to continue the war which Hamas obviously refused. the negotiations are happening between the US, Israel, Egypt (a vassal of the US) & Qatar (an American military base) but Hamas is not even a party in these negotiations.

that would be like.. if Ukraine says there needs to be negotiations to end the war but the negotiations are happening between Ukraine & the US without participation from Russia.

and then this clown Blinken comes out & says they are closer than ever to a hostage exchange deal. meanwhile the Israelis are basically just negotiating with themselves.

I don't know what Iran is waiting for at this point for the supposed retaliation if it ever happens when even Hamas are saying these negotiations are a sham.
This negotiation is a kabuki theatre. I am not sure who the intended audience is. Whoever it is must be really dumb to fall for it.
 

_killuminati_

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This negotiation is a kabuki theatre. I am not sure who the intended audience is. Whoever it is must be really dumb to fall for it.
American general public is the audience. They are that dumb. If you are dumb enough to believe that bombing your family's kidnappers is the ideal way to guarantee the safety of those kidnapped, then you are dumb enough for anything.

Get paid actors to act as freed hostages. No need to involve Hamas. This was the obvious ending narrative, straight out of Hollywood.
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Meanwhile, unknown truck bomb explodes in Tel Aviv.
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Israeli officials have also expressed caution. “After the United States accepted most of [Israel’s] demands, we have to be flexible on the clarifications that were added,” an unnamed source with knowledge of the talks told Israel’s Channel 12. “Otherwise, there isn’t any chance of bringing Hamas to the table … from its perspective, this is an American-Israeli proposal.”
 
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