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Of all the realistic solutions, you picked status quo two state solution or genocide. Among the two even genocide is a more realistic solution than status quo. Unfortunate for Israel, Hamas might outlast innocent palestinians and continue operation after genocide.
How is the two-state solution status quo? Currently there is only one state, an apartheid state.

The moment US is out (in 10 years), Israel lose its 'immortality'. From there they are just a normal regional power with more enemy than friends.
How many Palestinians will be left in 10 years? If any remote chance to stop the killing presents itself in the meantime, wouldn't it be worthwhile to pursue such a chance? And why are you so certain the US will be gone in 10 years?
 

Serb

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This makes me mad. These idiots think their garden's 13% of the global population is the entire world, so if one part of the empire does it (the head in this case), it's universally acceptable or something. It seems they really see themselves as some kind of exceptional divine biblical beings and sacred race and whatnot - with rest of the globe being subhuman and irrelevant. They don't see anything beyond their limited standpoint.



 
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TK3600

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How is the two-state solution status quo? Currently there is only one state, an apartheid state.
Because being a sovereign state never stopped Israel from attacking. Long term solution is getting rid of the aggressor with at minimum a regime change.
How many Palestinians will be left in 10 years? If any remote chance to stop the killing presents itself in the meantime, wouldn't it be worthwhile to pursue such a chance?
You are walking in circle. Of course a peace now would help buy time for one state solution. There is no disagreement here.

And why are you so certain the US will be gone in 10 years?
The writing is on the wall. If China don't cripple US by then, US will still implode on its own, be it socially or economically. I am not going to into details because that is off topic.
 
Because being a sovereign state never stopped Israel from attacking. Long term solution is getting rid of the aggressor with at minimum a regime change.

You are walking in circle. Of course a peace now would help buy time for one state solution. There is no disagreement here.
Yes, we are walking in circles. The first solution I promoted was for two state solution with at a minimum a replacement of Israeli leaders that played any role in the conflict (and also to be convicted of war crimes).

The writing is on the wall. If China don't cripple US by then, US will still implode on its own, be it socially or economically. I am not going to into details because that is off topic.
Well without going into details, I don't think the chances of either occurring is likely.
 

sheogorath

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Is the economic success of Israel entirely dependent on foreign support. Is the economic success of some Muslim countries largely dependent on oil/gas. See the difference. Look at the standard of living between Arabic countries with oil money and those without.
There are differences in that oil countries at least get money selling their own resources, for better or for worse. Israel is just smooching from other people taxpayers and by laundering money from mass murderers and training death squads around the globe since the 1960's.

I do also find it funny how you skip to mention that the other countries is not so good condition are that way in part because of Israel itself, bombing and fomenting unrest in them or by its allies in NATO

Thing is, I am starting to think that your point is that Israel has the right to wipe out its neighbors and its non-jewish populations because it has "a better quality" of life for subsector of its own population than some of the other countries in the area?

I can think of at least 2 dozen Israeli tech companies that are globally competitive. Can’t think of that many from the entire Arabic world in the Middle East. 40-70% of the revenues still come gas oil/gas.

And?. I wouldn't brag about companies specializing in mass espionage, surveillance and mass murder.

I'll take an oil company over the tech shithole of narcissistic sociopaths developed "Lavender" or "Where is daddy?"

You say that if Israel has achieved little much outside of the LGBT ghetto of Tel Aviv

They sat on a pot of gold for the last 70 years. What did they do with it besides building fancy shopping malls and buying more Ferraris for their princes.

And?. They deserve to be genocided because of that?. No wonder there is such sympathy between nazis and zionists.

 
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_killuminati_

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The only democracy in the middle east or something

This isn't new. There is a government body whose name I cannot recall which is responsible for "handling" every piece of media emanating from Israel. When I checked last, it was something like hundreds of redactions per day.

Btw, anyone remember videos like this from a few months ago?

And the only ones who got fucked were Anglo (UK & US) and Zionist ships.

What did they expect to do with that large, inefficient, rusting, navy, anyways?

This is not 16th-century warfare anymore, age of colonialism, lmao.
US has never been good at asymmetrical warfare. Similar to how Gen. Wesley Clark put it at 9/11, they have a hammer and see every problem as a nail. So when a tiny screw appears, they try to hammer it with the biggest hammers they have, but it just does not work. This is where Einstein's words comes alive: repeating the same procedure and expecting a different result is insanity. Despite possessing enormous resources, they just simply.. do.. not.. learn.
 

JJD1803

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Israel has withdrawn from Jabalia Camp after weeks of intense fighting. I truly don’t understand their tactics in Gaza. They were fought to a standstill in Khan Younis from December to April then withdrawn. This tactic of attacking then withdrawing makes no sense. Urban warfare counter insurgency101 is “clear,hold and build.” Their tactic is “clear,withdraw then clear again” It likely stems from the fact they have no solution for the tunnels. They gave up going after the tunnels in December. These tunnels and the urban jungle of concrete and steel makes it perfect for urban guerrilla warfare. Hamas and the other groups now can fight a sustained guerrilla operation in the whole Gaza Strip. They snipe the Israelis with .50 cal sniper rifles. Launch deadly complex ambushes which leads to sustained Israeli casualties.



And what is worse now is that there is reports because of Israel’s brutal campaign of genocide, Hamas is seeing increased new recruits. Which means Israel now in a conundrum where they can’t kill more fighters than Hamas can replace. They kill one Hamas fighters there is likely 10 to replace him. They are bogged down in Gaza in a war of attrition they can’t win. The fact rockets are still being firing from Gaza to Israel shows how much of a spectacular failure the Gaza operation has been. The IOF is no different from the Persian gulf states militaries. High tech and expensive air power but poorly trained and motivated ground forces.



Add the fact they are taking losses in the north from Hezbollah, they have taken losses in the West Bank too. As Nasrallah said this is a war to exhaust Israel militarily, politically and economically. Gaza is becoming a festering ulcer for Israel. And any talk of war with Lebanon is all talk. They have 3 divisions in Gaza. Two in the north and one in the West Bank. For war with Hezbollah they would need to pull all 3 divisions from Gaza to reinforce the 2 in the north and that’s unlikely enough.



If they can’t beat Hamas what hope do they have against Hezbollah? A battle hardened militias from fighting in the Syrian civil war in all terrains. Urban,mountain and desert warfare. With 200k rockets,drones and missiles that can rain fire on Israeli critical infrastructure? With loads of atgms and manpads? Israel has lost deterrence.
 

Atomicfrog

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Houthis claim some big hits lately but we have nothing to confirm. They claim USS Eisenhower 2 weeks after claiming hit on destroyer USS Mason.

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Someone have something credible on the table ?
 
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Houthi missile strike leaves Greek bulker listing and taking on water​

Yemeni rebel group increasingly takes aim at Hellenic vessels

28 May 2024 10:29 GMT UPDATED 28 May 2024 17:21 GMT
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A Greek-managed bulker has been damaged after coming under multiple Houthi missile attacks.
The Yemeni rebel group targeted the 82,300-dwt Laax (built 2012) with three projectiles on Tuesday, according to concurring reports.
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The ship, which is managed by Grehel Shipmanagement, first issued a distress call via VHF Channel 16 in the morning as it was sailing 54 nautical miles (100 km) south-west of the Yemeni port of Hodeidah.
 
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