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Exactly. Trump 2nd term would be far worse for Iran than Biden or Obama. Trump is the same guy now as before. If anything, he's going to remove all political "traitors" in Washington and double down on his policies against Iran, China, etc... once in office.

Look at Trump's actions during his first term, and I'm mostly paraphrasing here:

1). Pulled the US out of JCPOA that took years to negotiate and involved agreement from all major powers.
2). Imposed crippling sanctions on Iran as part of his maximalist pressure campaign against Iran

"Iran’s then-vice president, Eshagh Jahangiri, described the subsequent year as the “toughest” since the Islamic Republic’s inception. Trump’s campaign reduced Iran’s oil exports to a historic low of under 400,000 barrels per day, significantly slashing the country’s petrodollars, which represent about 70% of government revenues. Moreover, between 2018 and 2020, Iran’s national currency depreciated by more than 600%."

"The head of Iran’s Parliament Research Center has also highlighted the country’s current budget deficit of US$3.7 billion, warning a Trump return would necessitate being ready for “increased sanctions pressure and an economic shock.”

3). Trump ordered the killing of General Soleimani. Khamenei described Solemani as the mastermind behind Iran's military-network in the entire Middle East.

4). Trump wast quoted as saying to the Mullas. "You do what you have to do, but understand that I know where you live, your phone numbers, where your families are, and where you are at all times." That captures the essence of Trump and his way of doing things.
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Ukraine has changed everything. Russia and China are now opposed to sanctions. US sanctions only work if China follows them. But China doesn't have to fear being sanctioned itself anymore. China has already been sanctioned. So the cost of ignoring what trump demands are much lower now. I don't believe that China would stop trading with Iran after admitting them to brics and SCO just because Trump asks for it
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
Exactly. Trump 2nd term would be far worse for Iran than Biden or Obama. Trump is the same guy now as before. If anything, he's going to remove all political "traitors" in Washington and double down on his policies against Iran, China, etc... once in office.

Look at Trump's actions during his first term, and I'm mostly paraphrasing here:

1). Pulled the US out of JCPOA that took years to negotiate and involved agreement from all major powers.
2). Imposed crippling sanctions on Iran as part of his maximalist pressure campaign against Iran

"Iran’s then-vice president, Eshagh Jahangiri, described the subsequent year as the “toughest” since the Islamic Republic’s inception. Trump’s campaign reduced Iran’s oil exports to a historic low of under 400,000 barrels per day, significantly slashing the country’s petrodollars, which represent about 70% of government revenues. Moreover, between 2018 and 2020, Iran’s national currency depreciated by more than 600%."

"The head of Iran’s Parliament Research Center has also highlighted the country’s current budget deficit of US$3.7 billion, warning a Trump return would necessitate being ready for “increased sanctions pressure and an economic shock.”

3). Trump ordered the killing of General Soleimani. Khamenei described Solemani as the mastermind behind Iran's military-network in the entire Middle East.

4). Trump wast quoted as saying to the Mullas. "You do what you have to do, but understand that I know where you live, your phone numbers, where your families are, and where you are at all times." That captures the essence of Trump and his way of doing things.
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Yes, Iran experiences some economic hardship under Trump. But aside from the murder of Soleimani this was all fairly benign.
Now compare it to the hardships of for example Iraq, Syria, Libya or Palestine. These are all several orders of magnitude worse, and yet the "reasonable" Presidents are responsible. (I know Trump is responsible for the current US occupation in Syria, but due to ISIS being designated as a terror organization by the UN, there was quite some justification to the initial occupation, but by now all sense of legality might be long gone. And it was operation Timber Sycamore, with zero legality, and associated programs that had facilitated the spread ISIS in the first place)

And quite frankly, there's a World before Obamas ass-rape-diplomacy and there's a World after it; Ghaddafi getting a bayonet up his ass is probably the single most important event in the World since 9/11; Obama had received maximum international leverage to resolve the Libyan crisis, but yet this was the outcome. The breakdown in international diplomacy is an obvious consequence, it's Obamas inheritance to the World.
Even the ensuing dam collapse in Derna last September is probably an order of magnitude worse than all of Trumps evil-doing, and it's largely to Obamas credit.
 
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Recent resistance operations in eastern Syria have established new rules of engagement that constrain both Washington and Tel Aviv’s once-untethered freedom to operate in this strategic theater.
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Between the rules of engagement that preceded the events of 7 October and those that followed the targeting of US bases, significant changes have occurred, especially after Iraqi resistance operations showcased the vulnerabilities of the American deterrence strategy.

The illegal US bases have been exposed as unsafe, not only in Syria and Iraq but also extending to
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. The results of the resistance operations can be summarized as follows:
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The Axis has successfully established and strengthened its ground presence in areas Washington once viewed as its own stomping ground and has achieved a de facto truce that benefits long-term resistance goals across military, economic, and political domains.

Consequently, resistance troops are now more effectively pursuing the remnants of
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cells within the depths of the Syrian Desert. These terror cells, though engaged in continuous disruptive operations, are no longer seen as posing a strategic threat.

The Axis’ efforts can also now more effectively concentrate on the main front, against Israel, in support of the Palestinian resistance there. The rules of engagement with the US have been reinforced and are poised for further development in future stages, with plans to pose a more formidable challenge to the
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