Imagine how Israel will totally keep it together now that the ICC will request arrest warrants to be issued against Netanyahu and Gallant
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Imagine how Israel will totally keep it together now that the ICC will request arrest warrants to be issued against Netanyahu and Gallant
Israel will be fine. Worst that can happen (for Israel) is a two state solution which will hopefully bring peace to the region.
Netanyahu will prob end up in some Israeli jail for crimes unrelated to Gaza war.
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At this point, I think the US might have a harder time accepting this than Israel, given the embarrassing all-out public threat letter they sent.
From a Biden admin perspective, Israel is out of control. On the other hand, Israel, Netanyahu in particular, is just waiting for Biden to get out of the way knowing he's a lame duck president with 6 months left. Once Trump or Republican gets in office there would be no more talk of withholding weapons or other talks of of not supporting Israel.
The US is already and accomplice and enabler of this genocide. The only conspiracy is the denial of genocide.
From an outside perspective, the Biden admin is in every way abetting the Israeli war of aggression - in terms of propaganda, in terms of diplomatic support and in terms of material support.
The only "nuance" to this are unreliable narratives and internal bickering.
Sure, Trump is evil and might force the Palestinians into a trail of tears, using the US occupation harbor. And yes Biden is a saint who might save the Palestinians by letting them all escape through the humanitarian harbor. But different rhetoric may not mean different outcome.
The real difference is perhaps that Trumps approach might cause a slight schism in "The West", as he isn't fully attuned to the wider Western propaganda. This could in turn put some kind of pressure on Israel.
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In which world Israel will be fine while Iran is barely keeping together?
Iranian economy had the best growth in decades, demographics absolute favour them, their network of proxies is more powerful that has ever been, they have the smallest technological gap with Israel in their history.
The unfortunate death (or assasination) or Raise will change nothing of the current dynamics, Iran is not a one man dictatorship. It is a republic full of state people from whom to chose.
Time and zeitgeist is absolutely in the Iranian side. Until recently Iran was alone while Israel received full support of the West. While Russia was neutral or even favor Israel. China was pretty neutral although with some level of support to Iran
Now Iran has a free trade association with Russia that open a market of 150 million, it also have a close military relation with them ,that will bring more technology and weapons that Iran lacked.
On the other hand the relation of Russia with Israel is the coldest in history, and this is likely to increase after the desertion of russian israeli elites in the 2022. Without their influence this relation goes south.
This is already seen in first iranian satellites being launched by Russia plus the Su35 aircrafts provided by Russia (or that will be provided) to Iran.
Russia can provide also ka52 helicopters and a full array of modern weapons exactly in the aspects Iran lacked.
With China relation with US each year more strained Iran is likely to receive each year more Chinese support.
At the end it is obvious that the arabic countries will be always in US side and that has obvious implications in whom China will have to support.
Biden is not a saint but probably will be made a saint by the second term of Trump.
All the anti globalist people that think that Trump is better than Biden are for a harsh wake up.
Trump will tripple o cuadruple down the support to Israel.
There is a quote in Spanish, "otro vendra que bueno me hara" -> someone will come that will make me be good. I think is very applicable.
All pro chinese, pro russian, pro iranian, anti globalist, anti zionist people should prepare for Trump.
He is likely to be far more aggressive tan Biden, using all bully tactics that are available in US arsenal, threatening with nuclear war day yes and day not.
I think pro chinese and pro iranians are well aware of this, but many pro russians think that Trump is somehow antiwar. Although russians themselves, following Putin words, are well aware of the truth.
One only have to check that proposed peace plan of Trump and his election of Pompeo as Secreary of State to realise that Trump is the US tool to switch to a mega hyperaggresive war footage.
Trump is already a saint when compared to the likes of Bush, Obama and Biden.
Solely because he was severely restricted in his range of action.
Yes, his murder of Soleimani was a blatant act of war, but there's very limited fallout. In comparison to the other trio this was essentially nothing.
Israel already has enough material support to continue its war indefinitely, what it needs is primarily diplomatic backing - this is where the US already gives Israel 100% support, Israel is effectively acting on a diplomatic mandate given by the US and backed by "The West". The risk for Israel is primarily if the EU stops backing the US position and establishes its own. Then you might get a diplomatic snowball rolling where the Arab League, among others gravitates towards the EU position, which could quickly evolve into a proper South Africa scenario.
I wouldn't describe this as anti-globalist, as I don't see anything globalist about American unilateralism. I wouldn't even call it "anti-West", as it would re-establish Western leadership.
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Exactly. Trump 2nd term would be far worse for Iran than Biden or Obama. Trump is the same guy now as before. If anything, he's going to remove all political "traitors" in Washington and double down on his policies against Iran, China, etc... once in office.
Look at Trump's actions during his first term, and I'm mostly paraphrasing here:
1). Pulled the US out of JCPOA that took years to negotiate and involved agreement from all major powers.
2). Imposed crippling sanctions on Iran as part of his maximalist pressure campaign against Iran
"Iran’s then-vice president, Eshagh Jahangiri, described the subsequent year as the “toughest” since the Islamic Republic’s inception. Trump’s campaign reduced Iran’s oil exports to a historic low of under 400,000 barrels per day, significantly slashing the country’s petrodollars, which represent about 70% of government revenues. Moreover, between 2018 and 2020, Iran’s national currency depreciated by more than 600%."
"The head of Iran’s Parliament Research Center has also highlighted the country’s current budget deficit of US$3.7 billion, warning a Trump return would necessitate being ready for “increased sanctions pressure and an economic shock.”
3). Trump ordered the killing of General Soleimani. Khamenei described Solemani as the mastermind behind Iran's military-network in the entire Middle East.
4). Trump wast quoted as saying to the Mullas. "You do what you have to do, but understand that I know where you live, your phone numbers, where your families are, and where you are at all times." That captures the essence of Trump and his way of doing things.