Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

MortyandRick said:

Does china need to respond tit for tat?

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No. Not saying it should.

MortyandRick said:

And what happened to the much vaulted US "real power" which allowed Israel to do whatever they wanted? They got smacked back by Iran, which have been under sanctions for decades. And they still can't stop Houthis from hitting container ships. I'd say the US is doing just fine destroying its own credibility especially in the middle east.

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You sure about that. Instead I see Iran being gangbanged with the US coordinating a multi-nation, regional defense of Israel extending from northern Iraq to Persian Gulf. Anyone came to Iran’s defense?
Israel suffered minor damage, while Iranian generals, scientists, senior commanders keep on getting chopped up.
Tally it up and let me know who’s getting the smacking.

Petrolicious88 said:

No. Not saying it should.

You sure about that. Instead I see Iran being gangbanged with the US coordinating a multi-nation, regional defense of Israel extending from northern Iraq to Persian Gulf. Anyone came to Iran’s defense?
Israel suffered minor damage, while Iranian generals, scientists, senior commanders keep on getting chopped up.
Tally it up and let me know who’s getting the smacking.

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US led a multi nation invasion of Afghanistan, no one came to the Taliban’s defense.

What was the final tally on that?

Petrolicious88 said:

You sure about that.

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Absolutely. Did you read what I said? Did I say that Iran has hurt Israel more over the years? No. Did Iran smack Israel back inspite of US warning and support and power? Yes!

Just the fact that a country, which has been under sanctions for decades, is able to attack Israeli soil (under the shadow of US protection) shatters the myth of Israel invincibility in that middle east region. Also decreases US credibility and threats.

Petrolicious88 said:

Instead I see Iran being gangbanged with the US coordinating a multi-nation, regional defense of Israel extending from northern Iraq to Persian Gulf. Anyone came to Iran’s defense?

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It's mainly the US, with small contribution by France and Jordan. Sure it's technically multinational but let's not make it sound bigger than it really is.

How did the US coalition Red Sea task force do against the Houthis? Or their coalition in Afghanistan or the Korean war go?

Iran did it alone, which makes it seem even more impressive. Even if Israel and the US hit Iran back harder, unless they completely destroy the country and its leadership, Iran's prominence likely has increased.

Petrolicious88 said:

Israel suffered minor damage, while Iranian generals, scientists, senior commanders keep on getting chopped up.

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Are you sure about that? How do you know there wasn't more damage or senior Israeli officials killed in the strike and is just being kept hidden?

Do people believe that 99% of missiles/drones were shot down?

Lets do some math. They claim Iran fired around 300 missiles.

Then they say 99% were shot down. Then the US claims that 50% didn't work and they shot down the other 50%. Probably trying to convince people that Iran's drone and missile quality is bad.

So out of 300 projectiles, 50% didn't work, so 150 flew to Israel towards their target. Then they shot down 99%
So out of 150 missiles, only 1-2 made it through.

This mental gymnastics further degrades US and Israel credibility since they keep on changing their story

Petrolicious88 said:

Tally it up and let me know who’s getting the smacking.

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Sure the US and Israel is more powerful. Why isn't the US clamoring to start a war with Iran and taking over the country? They started wars for much less in the past eg. Iraq, Balkans.

enroger said:

I suspect they even miscount the number of BM launches. US claim 50% failure rate of BM launch, how do they know those failed to launch in the first place? Unless they took off and did a wild coyote and hit the ground or something, how're they able to tell there was a BM failed to launch?

If we believe them on this, does it mean in actually only 50 or so Iranian BM actually flew towards Israel? And 7 got through among 50?

Now I even have doubts about the 50 missiles supposed to have flown, are we sure they weren't counting decoys?

US bragging about 50% failure rate actually bring more questions about their interception figure

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You have obvious never been through a ‘proper’ western tax accounting course, as you would easily be able to square all those conflicting claims if you had.

American OTH radars detected 220 objects coming over the horizon, but 110 of them were slowing and decelerating. Virgin military analysts say the slowing objects are discarded boosters, but their Chad political superiors knows better and correctly concluded those are failed missiles. 50% failure rate confirmed.

Iran fired 300 missiles, with 7-9 hits, but Israel can still claim 99% intercept rate by counting all the ‘failed’ boosters as successful intercepts and also by counting every hit as a successful intercept, even if some of the hits are scored against debris from earlier intercepts.

But on a slightly less flippant note, it’s clear how much of a shock this Iranian attack was on Israel that they are clearly scrambling and couldn’t think straight as a result of the shock. This is why they knee-jerk claimed such clearly ludicrously high intercept rates and are literally digging holes in the sand to ‘prove’ how little damage was done while at the same time doing a genuine surprise picachu face when America and the world tell them to not retaliate if so little damage was done.

Had they gave this a little more thought, they could have made a far more credible attempt to have their cake and eat it, while also solving an existing massive political problem. Israel could have claimed a 98% successful intercept rate, but claim that the handful of missiles that got through wiped out a whole Israeli infantry division worth of troops, who were all stuffed into the one bunker/hospital that got hit. A terribly unlucky fluke, but the massive headcount demand a response that America would find much harder to reject. With one simple hack, Israel gets to claim incredibly high intercept rates, get to strike back with American support, and can clear all their freezers and not have to admit the true scale of their losses in Gaza or find alternative fairy tales to tell their families. The country is United in grief and no one would question BiBi for declaring Holy War on Iran.

As a question of interest, has anything been heard of about the king of Jordan given that Jordan is among the only Arab nation that has helped Israel and the west in regards to the Iran air strikes. I can’t imagine this going down well in the Arab world, especially given the sizable Palestinian population in Jordan

aahyan said:

Can someone confirm the mention specifications are correct.....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780182894520008730

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Petrolicious88 said:

No. Not saying it should.

You sure about that. Instead I see Iran being gangbanged with the US coordinating a multi-nation, regional defense of Israel extending from northern Iraq to Persian Gulf. Anyone came to Iran’s defense?
Israel suffered minor damage, while Iranian generals, scientists, senior commanders keep on getting chopped up.
Tally it up and let me know who’s getting the smacking.

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3 months later the "prosperity guardian" coalition is suing for peace and offering an extraordinary array of concession, including "lifting Yemen's siege entirely, repairing the damages, removing foreign forces from all occupied Yemeni lands and islands, and removing Ansarallah from the State Department’s ‘terrorism list’". Ansarallah, undeterred, say they will "continue operations as long as Israeli aggression against Gaza persists".

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Tell me who had to beg Houthis and humiliate himself like this after failing to do anything there, offering endless concessions, after its shipping got blocked, meanwhile, it is the Houthis who don't want compromise and even won't accept the US suing for peace and begging lol. That's how much anyone fears the industrially impoverished US nowadays.

This is the biggest example, but also keep in mind how they smack their bases daily in Syria and Iraq. Yeah, Iran lost a few personnel, but the US lost billions of dollars against the Iranian attacks this time, Iran only tens of millions. The US's last full ally in the Middle East penetrated easily.
Israel's economy lost 20% last quarter of 2023, with half a million people left in just a few months, Iran widening the gap with them nationally.

MortyandRick said:

Absolutely. Did you read what I said? Did I say that Iran has hurt Israel more over the years? No. Did Iran smack Israel back inspite of US warning and support and power? Yes!

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At this point in time, I think that Iran indirectly, through actions of its allies that it supports, has started to "hurt" Israel more than it hurts them, demographically, economically, militarily, diplomatically, geopolitically, etc.

Yes, Israel can likely still organize a few terrorist attacks by using separatist extremist elements within Iran itself for example, as Ukrainians do in Russia, or kill a few generals in other countries, but those are moves of a loser (and it won't be tolerated anymore as shown). Israel already lost.

Serb said:

At this point in time, I think that Iran indirectly, through actions of its allies that it supports, has started to "hurt" Israel more than it hurts them, demographically, economically, militarily, diplomatically, geopolitically, etc.

Yes, Israel can likely still organize a few terrorist attacks by using separatist extremist elements within Iran itself for example, as Ukrainians do in Russia, or kill a few generals in other countries, but those are moves of a loser (and it won't be tolerated anymore as shown). Israel already lost.

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Israelis are finding themselves in similar situation like India did in post "swift retort". lol

Never strike first, because losing on the escalation ladder is such a b!tch

From 3:50 onwards. Guy is former National intelligence chief. Unbiased assessment of what actually happened.

"If Iranians wanted to, they could have overwhelmed Israeli air defenses. Talk of 99% interception is just non sense. Persians pinged their targets which were two airbases and the Intel base in mount Hebron".