Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

FriedButter

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779346813113249948
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Austin asking Israel to inform the US before attacking Iran is more or less pointing towards tacit approval that the US has absolutely zero intentions to deescalate. Just like what we seen in Gaza. They say one thing to the public and do the exact opposite in private.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779350946415321374
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So apparently, Israel is promising stronger retaliation that is going to suppress the retaliation from Iran. I suppose if we are going to get a regional war. Will the Biden Admin go all in now that their campaign for 2024 is dead on arrival.
 
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tankphobia

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Overbom said:
Seeing all sorts of news about it. Can someone compile the real outcomes (in terms of number targets actually hit). Seeing lots of news about hits which then later are debunked as fake news
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We can probably confirm this was a extremely expensive 8 hours or so. Billions worth were spent in interceptor and munitions in what ended up being more like a show of force. But yeah, a few of the videos being touted as actual hits have been debunked as previous footage, its really hard to tell if voices are added in post since this all happened at night.
 
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These kinds of attacks are useless militarily if they are just a one off.

Against a country like Israel filled with modern airdefence systems you would have to repeat this attack for several weeks or probably even several months for the air defence systems to be finaly truely overwhelmed.

Also the airbases from which US aircrafts are taking off would have to be targeted for this kind of attack against Israel to be usefull, but ofcourse a full scale war against the US is far beyond Iranian capabilites.

The cruise missiles and drones apparently were all intercepted before reaching Israel mostly downed by US aircrafts. The only missiles that showed just a little success were the ballistic missiles, 7 out of 110 hit their targets, all others were intercepted. IMO this is actually a good result for the ballistic missiles considering Israel has probably the most advanced missiles defence system in the region and also the fact that the US and it's allies intercepted most of the drones & cruise missiles. Had the US stayed out of it I believe Israel would have performed much worse.

If Israel's retaliation would be targeting just some Iranian oil facilities then I believe Iran will not respond. However if Israel targets Iranian missiles & their launchers while they are still on the ground on a large scale plus maybe the factories that produce these missiles then Iran will have to fire as many missiles as possible towards Israel before Iranian missile arsenal is destroyed.

I believe Iran made a mistake with this response, they would have been better off just targeting an Israeli embassy and killing a diplomat or something rather than launching this kind of a massive (in your face) frontal attack which actually didn't result in any tangible military effect.

But in the end we know Netanyahu targeted the consulate because he wants a war with Iran to drag the US in it. So even if Iran didn't respond at all not even by targeting an embassy or something Israel would have still probably escalated possibly by attacking another consulate/embassy or perhaps even targets inside Iran to basicaly impose the war on Iran.

IMO a war between Israel & Iran is an inevitability that is waiting to happen.

Now the question is were the Iranians actually stupid enough to the point where they didn't aquire nukes or not? They could have easily bought few of them from North Korea in secret if they wanted to.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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obj 705A said:
These kinds of attacks are useless militarily if they are just a one off.

Against a country like Israel filled with modern airdefence systems you would have to repeat this attack for several weeks or probably even several months for the air defence systems to be finaly truely overwhelmed.

Also the airbases from which US aircrafts are taking off would have to be targeted for this kind of attack against Israel to be usefull, but ofcourse a full scale war against the US is far beyond Iranian capabilites.

The cruise missiles and drones apparently were all intercepted before reaching Israel mostly downed by US aircrafts. The only missiles that showed just a little success were the ballistic missiles, 7 out of 110 hit their targets, all others were intercepted. IMO this is actually a good result for the ballistic missiles considering Israel has probably the most advanced missiles defence system in the region and also the fact that the US and it's allies intercepted most of the drones & cruise missiles. Had the US stayed out of it I believe Israel would have performed much worse.

If Israel's retaliation would be targeting just some Iranian oil facilities then I believe Iran will not respond. However if Israel targets Iranian missiles & their launchers while they are still on the ground on a large scale plus maybe the factories that produce these missiles then Iran will have to fire as many missiles as possible towards Israel before Iranian missile arsenal is destroyed.

I believe Iran made a mistake with this response, they would have been better off just targeting an Israeli embassy and killing a diplomat or something rather than launching this kind of a massive (in your face) frontal attack which actually didn't result in any tangible military effect.

But in the end we know Netanyahu targeted the consulate because he wants a war with Iran to drag the US in it. So even if Iran didn't respond at all not even by targeting an embassy or something Israel would have still probably escalated possibly by attacking another consulate/embassy or perhaps even targets inside Iran to basicaly impose the war on Iran.

IMO a war between Israel & Iran is an inevitability that is waiting to happen.

Now the question is were the Iranians actually stupid enough to the point where they didn't aquire nukes or not? They could have easily bought few of them from North Korea in secret if they wanted to.
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one single video shows 7 hitting their targets.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1c3gspp
 
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According to Daniel Hagari, Israel’s military spokesman, Iran fired over 300 missiles and drones against Israel, including 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles. 99% (!?) were intercepted. US aircraft and two AEGIS destroyers helped Israel achieve that unprecedented interception rate.

Depending on the ballistic missiles fired, this engagement may have seen even SM-3s used for the first time in real combat. Of course, THAAD is also deployed in the theater.
 
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Zichan said:
Depending on the ballistic missiles fired, this engagement may have seen even SM-3s used for the first time in real combat.
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The US already said their DDGs helped with the interceptions though I don't think they said wheather these USN ships actually launched airdefence missiles or not, if the DDGs were in the eastern mediteranian then it's possible the US DDGs were actually actively defending Israel with their own missiles.
 
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aahyan said:
Despite Israel has 4 layers of BMD "Ballistic Missile Defence" as part of its homeland defense system. This includes Sling, Arrow, Patriot II, C-Dome, Iron Done and Iron Beam.


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The strike has only confirmed one thing that Israel is not invincible, it can be badly crushed if attacked properly.
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If only Israel could be bothered to explore a 5th layer of missile defense, diplomacy.

Zichan said:
According to Daniel Hagari, Israel’s military spokesman, Iran fired over 300 missiles and drones against Israel, including 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles. 99% (!?) were intercepted. US aircraft and two AEGIS destroyers helped Israel achieve that unprecedented interception rate.

Depending on the ballistic missiles fired, this engagement may have seen even SM-3s used for the first time in real combat.
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SM-3s a pretty rare. Only a few hundred exist and only a few dozen are procured every year.
 
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