Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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generalmeng

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plawolf said:
It is certainly a viable option if the US has secreted away its chemical weapons stocks instead of destroying them as promised.

But such an atrocity, and yes, the use of chemical weapons in Gaza, a densely populated urban area, will be an atrocity as there is no way they can keep the gas in the tunnels or clear the hot zone of civilians; will be impossible to hide.

Aside from sanctions and worldwide outrage and condemnations, there will be colossal near term security implications as all of Israeli’s neighbours develops chemical weapons to deter similar WMD attacks on them by Israel, which will also greatly diminish the deterrence factor from Israel’s not so secret nukes.

I am not sure any general or politician would value the lives of a few thousand or even tens of thousands of line grunts more than the vast strategic costs of diminished nuclear deterrence, never mind the diplomatic and economic costs of such a move.

It just doesn’t make sense.

But then, we are in a strange time when things not making sense have not stopped major world powers from doing them.
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The use of nerve gas, regardless of who the target is; is considered a war crime.
 
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Michael90

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james smith esq said:
I feel such pity for the Palestinian people. They’ve been abused, exploited, and neglected for so long, but their suffering will see no end.

Like the Kurds, the Yazidis, and so many indigenous and minority ethnicities, worldwide, they and their concerns really just don’t matter to anyone but themselves.

So, now, in a desperate expression of their frustration and anger at the, never-ending, injustices they’re subjected to, they commit a homicidal act against their perceived oppressor that is simultaneously suicidal act that brings even further suffering upon themselves: all, in a futile attempt to evoke an effective sympathetic response from a world that just doesn’t really care about them.

This isn’t the first historical occurrence of this nature, and, it, probably, won’t be the last.
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Agree completely. As I said before there are countless such oppressive cases globally. From Western Sahara who have been fighting for their freedom against Morroco for decades to the bloody Cibil war in Congo where millions have perished and still do to the Kurds fighting Turkey for decades to have theirnown statehood and freedom to the anglophone speratists fighting the Cameroon government in weste Africa , or Rohingya being slaughtered and displaced in Myamnar by Buddhist government or all thos hundreds of thousands/millions of sunni dislpaced by Syrian civil war etc egc etc. Palestine is just one of many unjust conflicts globally, reason why for me I don't consider their case any special, afterall all of us are human beings.
REALITY is that every country is after their national and geopolitical interests and ambition use Palestine for political capital. Nothing new here. At the end of the day Palestinian have to accept reality. In this life NOBODY will.fight for you but yourself. Counting on others means you will.always be disappointed at some point even more so when you are in a position of strength. So Palestinians need to acknowledge this and find a negotiating table with israel and yes they will have to make painful concessions afterall they are the weaker side. But so if life. Its like the Philippines or Vietnam thinking they can challenge China in their claims in South China Sea. The only reason they do so more proactively at least is because they have the US backing them since US national interests aligns with them against China. That's the only reason why they can count on the US support. Else even Philippines and Vietnam wouldn't be so brazen and would have come to terms with China since they know they are the weaker side and stand no chance in a conflict. Palestinians should likewise recognise this fact and come to terms with this and negotiate with Israel.
Sometimes we have to be realistic in life we don't always get everything we want
 
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Shams

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Michael90 said:
Agree completely. As I said before there are countless such oppressive cases globally. From Western Sahara who have been fighting for their freedom against Morroco for decades to the bloody Cibil war in Congo where millions have perished and still do to the Kurds fighting Turkey for decades to have theirnown statehood and freedom to the anglophone speratists fighting the Cameroon government in weste Africa , or Rohingya being slaughtered and displaced in Myamnar by Buddhist government or all thos hundreds of thousands/millions of sunni dislpaced by Syrian civil war etc egc etc. Palestine is just one of many unjust conflicts globally, reason why for me I don't consider their case any special, afterall all of us are human beings.
REALITY is that every country is after their national and geopolitical interests and ambition use Palestine for political capital. Nothing new here. At the end of the day Palestinian have to accept reality. In this life NOBODY will.fight for you but yourself. Counting on others means you will.always be disappointed at some point even more so when you are in a position of strength. So Palestinians need to acknowledge this and find a negotiating table with israel and yes they will have to make painful concessions afterall they are the weaker side. But so if life. Its like the Philippines or Vietnam thinking they can challenge China in their claims in South China Sea. The only reason they do so more proactively at least is because they have the US backing them since US national interests aligns with them against China. That's the only reason why they can count on the US support. Else even Philippines and Vietnam wouldn't be so brazen and would have come to terms with China since they know they are the weaker side and stand no chance in a conflict. Palestinians should likewise recognise this fact and come to terms with this and negotiate with Israel.
Sometimes we have to be realistic in life we don't always get everything we want
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How strange and desperate mumbling!! Why are you is such desperate state to force Palestinians accept your version of proposal? You talked about all of these conflict yet you did not mention almost each & every conflict has root in British colonialism,the same country you live in,you did not apologize for it. US is on life support. Are you scared?
Here is my proposal, you pay every penny back to every state, retreat from North America , Australia, South Africa. It will be made sure you will have a fair trial. As goes the old saying, when in trouble even frog kicks an elephant. Nobody is seeking advice from you what should be done regarding Palestine. Only thing you should concern yourself is how you are going to face those nations who are going to come after you.
 
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drowingfish

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sheogorath said:
Thing is, most of the heavy lifting was done by the Air Force in both the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War, the latter of which they almost lost anyway. But air power generally means fuck all against an insurgency, as the US has been adept at demonstrating for decades.

The "mythical IDF" is mostly the IAF.
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israel has looked into the fallacy of air power post-2006. there is a nice essay online searchable by google, written by an israeli officer, on the danger of relying on air power to solve your problems.
 
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plawolf said:
Aside from sanctions and worldwide outrage and condemnations, there will be colossal near term security implications as all of Israeli’s neighbours develops chemical weapons to deter similar WMD attacks on them by Israel, which will also greatly diminish the deterrence factor from Israel’s not so secret nukes.
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Nothing will happen, they're literally target killing journalist families and owning it on tv, not even an ounce of outrage in the west. They could very well use the chemical weapons and pin it on Hamas, like the hospital attack. What will the neighborus do? Sissi is practically a CIA asset at this point. Jordan doesnt have the means, Syria is already gg, Lebanon is probably poorer than Palestinians. Israel could nuke Gaza tomorrow and the world will do nothing.
 
plawolf

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phrozenflame said:
Nothing will happen, they're literally target killing journalist families and owning it on tv, not even an ounce of outrage in the west. They could very well use the chemical weapons and pin it on Hamas, like the hospital attack. What will the neighborus do? Sissi is practically a CIA asset at this point. Jordan doesnt have the means, Syria is already gg, Lebanon is probably poorer than Palestinians. Israel could nuke Gaza tomorrow and the world will do nothing.
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The west not caring is far from the same as the world not caring.

The thing about chemical weapons is that they are not that hard or expensive to produce. The basic chemistry is basically public knowledge now, and even cults and terrorist groups can make them in basic labs.

The only thing stopping nation states from making and stockpiling them are the consequences. Consequences that will be largely erased if Israel uses them in Gaza and gets away with it.

After Israeli’s neighbours have all armed with chemical weapons to achieve effective deterrence against possible Israeli chemical weapons attacks, what is Israel going to do if they extend said deterrence to also cover Israeli nuclear attack? Gas them after they nuke them?

Israeli use of chemical weapons in Gaza will be an own goal of biblical proportions.
 
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