Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Stierlitz

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Israeli losses suffered from Hezbollah attacks so far:

- 40 IDF deaths
- 12 Merkavas destroyed
- At least 2 APCs destroyed
- At least 1 Hummer destroyed
- At least 20 radar and surveillance sites destroyed

(Source: PressTV & Al-Mayadeen)

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JERUSALEM, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Israeli military said on Sunday that one of its tanks accidentally hit an Egyptian position near the border with the Gaza Strip.

"The incident is being investigated and the details are under review. The IDF (Israel Defense Forces) expresses sorrow regarding the incident," it said in a statement, giving no further details.

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siegecrossbow said:
Indeed. If Chinese officials can be called Wolf Warriors for the stuff they tweet then how should you label officials who openly call for a “final solution” to the Palestinian problem? Reich Warriors?

I just realized that the logic of defending Israel/Zionism by playing the Holocaust card is really stupid. Next time some bobalib brings up Hitler/Holocaust just say that SeeSeePee has a free rein to do whatever the hell it wants because Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731.
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Even israeli influencers are jumping in on the despicable bandwagon, mocking palestinians or claiming they are faking it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715835494238449981

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715371327052247253


Apparently Israel isn't accepting hostages back because "its HAMAS propaganda"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715840331403722884
 
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Stierlitz said:
Israeli losses suffered from Hezbollah attacks so far:

- 40 IDF deaths
- 12 Merkavas destroyed
- At least 2 APCs destroyed
- At least 1 Hummer destroyed
- At least 20 radar and surveillance sites destroyed

(Source: PressTV & Al-Mayadeen)

@Middle_East_Spectator
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/2672

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JERUSALEM, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Israeli military said on Sunday that one of its tanks accidentally hit an Egyptian position near the border with the Gaza Strip.

"The incident is being investigated and the details are under review. The IDF (Israel Defense Forces) expresses sorrow regarding the incident," it said in a statement, giving no further details.

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With those casualties, this is no longer a “conflict“ but an outright war. Hezbollah, which are really Iranian irregulars, can inflict pain on Israel necessitating US and by extension NATO intervention.
This is starting to echo the lead up to the Vietnam War where US special forces were first sent in to help “train“ the locals, in reality mounting specops missions and when they failed to win the war, a Gulf of Tonkin incident will occur to force heavy U.S. involvement and possibly, a draft.
 
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Calling Hezbollah "Iranian irregulars" is dismissive of the group questioning its agency. The truth is Hezbollah arose in power as a counter after Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. And yes they have had support from Iran basically since when they started since it is a Shia militia.

Even right now when they claim that Hezbollah is "attacking northern Israel" they are just striking Israeli military positions in what is effectively occupied Lebanese territory.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
just realized that the logic of defending Israel/Zionism by playing the Holocaust card is really stupid. Next time some bobalib brings up Hitler/Holocaust just say that SeeSeePee has a free rein to do whatever the hell it wants because Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731.
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This is a weird example to bring up because I think most people here would completely agree with it. Can you honestly tell me that if the PLARF and PLAAF made indiscriminate strikes on Japanese civilian infrastructure during a first strike, that you would think there would be an extensive moral outcry here? Would you even be personally upset? I want to be clear that I would not, since it would be disingenuous to imply that I would, but that is because of military realities not nationalist hatred.
Biscuits said:
Israel is a settler extraction economy.
Once the whole place turns unstable, there will be no investors, no new settlers, and existing settlers will start to evacuate to their original homes
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Israel's land is arid and absent of fossil fuels. There is nothing economically meaningful to be "extracted", and this is corroborated in the data where you can see that the main sources of VA in Israel's economy are things like medicines, software, and agrotech for low-water environments. In other words, things not dependent on the local natural environment and that could in principle be done anywhere.

Israeli jews believe themselves to be in their homeland. They will not leave. It does not matter whether you agree with their sentiment, the fact is they will fight to the end to stay there with everything they have. Both of the claims you make here are essentially along the lines of "kick down the door and the whole structure will collapse", something that the states and groups opposing Israel have been propagating for since literally before 1947. What empirical evidence will it take to stop thinking like this?
Chevalier said:
It appears being constantly told your ”God‘s Chosen People” leads to a serious break with reality for some of these people. More concerning is that it’s an official government official who has such thin skin.
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You would be hard pressed to find a Jew who still genuinely believes in the "God's Chosen People" thing. It's basically become an in-joke at this point. Any remaining belief that Jews had in some divine being granting providence to them was permanently ended by the Germans. You should take to people of a culture before making claims about what they believe.
 
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So Israel just attacked Egypt. I don’t believe this is an “accident” at all but a threat against Egypt. Maybe they are hoping Egypt will accept 1-2 million Palestinian refugees if they “accidentally” attack them a couple more times.

7-9 casualties (+ critical) reported so far on the attack.

At least seven injured as Israeli tank ‘accidentally’ hits Egyptian border​

Shell fragments from an Israeli tank have hit the Egyptian border, injuring at least seven people including several Egyptian border guards, according to the militaries of both countries.

The incident occurred late Sunday, with the Israeli military confirming that it “accidentally” hit the Egyptian position near the border with the Gaza Strip.
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Boltzmann said:
This is a weird example to bring up because I think most people here would completely agree with it. Can you honestly tell me that if the PLARF and PLAAF made indiscriminate strikes on Japanese civilian infrastructure during a first strike, that you would think there would be an extensive moral outcry here? Would you even be personally upset? I want to be clear that I would not, since it would be disingenuous to imply that I would, but that is because of military realities not nationalist hatred.

Israel's land is arid and absent of fossil fuels. There is nothing economically meaningful to be "extracted", and this is corroborated in the data where you can see that the main sources of VA in Israel's economy are things like medicines, software, and agrotech for low-water environments. In other words, things not dependent on the local natural environment and that could in principle be done anywhere.

Israeli jews believe themselves to be in their homeland. They will not leave. It does not matter whether you agree with their sentiment, the fact is they will fight to the end to stay there with everything they have. Both of the claims you make here are essentially along the lines of "kick down the door and the whole structure will collapse", something that the states and groups opposing Israel have been propagating for since literally before 1947. What empirical evidence will it take to stop thinking like this?

You would be hard pressed to find a Jew who still genuinely believes in the "God's Chosen People" thing. It's basically become an in-joke at this point. Any remaining belief that Jews had in some divine being granting providence to them was permanently ended by the Germans. You should take to people of a culture before making claims about what they believe.
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Most Chinese people would be outraged if the Chinese military committed atrocities against Japanese civilians, just as we are outraged by Israel's atrocities against the Palestinian people.
 
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azn_cyniq said:
Most Chinese people would be outraged if the Chinese military committed atrocities against Japanese civilians, just as we are outraged by Israel's atrocities against the Palestinian people.
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Well if and when a first-strike comes, I will hold you to that.
 
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