Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

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It was enforcing a naval blockade of Lebanese ports, I believe. And it may well have been deployed for "shock-and-awe" reasons. Here's the Israeli Navy's pride-and-joy, etc.

Of course that backfired. But it was serving a purpose.
they had many other Corvette that could've done the same job. Put SAAR 4.5 there, what do the Lebanese have that can counter what the Israelis have?

Also, there was an earlier report from the Israelis that 50 kg of warhead exploded on SAAR 5. Does that mean C-802 did not have the entire warhead of explosives????? Some help here. Popeye, Jeff?
 

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Thanks for the pics guys. Welcome to our forum astrotrain.:)

I saw the ship on Tv operating on it's own power....Honestly guys I was expecting more damage. A lot more. I mean a 165kg(363lb) warhead should do much more damage to the surface.

Looks like it could have been some sort of incindeary warhead. Very little hull damage. But enough damage was done to inside of the ship to take the lives of four Israeli sailors. I really wish there were pics of the ship compartments that were damaged. I could make a possible assesment about the warhead.

Well judging by that pic and what I saw on the Tv I would say that the warhead malfunctioned. Possibly split into two or more parts damaging that Egyptian merchant ship near by. The pics just don't look like a 165kg(363lb) warhead hit that ship. Or like swimmer mentioned it was the smaller C-701 ...

Just my best guess gents!:D

Thanks for the welcome Popeye,

Can you or anyone confirm to me when a US Carrier battle group is engaged a strike mission do the DDGs during aircraft landing and takeoffs from the carrier have their Aegis systems turned off during these events (for fear of shooting down their own aircraft) or are they left on all the time?


If Aegis is active in all scenerios are there unique identifiers on the US aircraft so that the ships can tell friend from Foe? Moreover what are the differientations between an Aegis system in identifying friendly aircraft from what is on the Sa ar?

This anwser could provide us with illumination on this on or off debate regarding the Sa ar.
 

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hey, I guess we've been pretty much catching the Israeli side of the story, this is posted by Webbie on DT.

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12 Egyptian Sailors Rescued to al-Bassel Hospital in Tartous, Syria
Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 09:20 PM

Tartous, Syrian coast, July 15 (SANA)-



Twelve Egyptian sailors have been rescued and taken to al-Bassel Hospital in the Syrian coastal city of Tartous on Saturday after their ship which was in offshore Beirut in the Lebanese international waters was fired at, set ablaze by an Israeli barge that was firing at random in all directions.



The Egyptian survivors said they sent a distress call via the satellites Friday night. They were rescued by two Syrian and Egyptian ships who were sailing in the area towards the Syrian coast, definitely to Tartous seaport.



Director General of
al-Bassel Hospital Dr.
Talal Hamdan said the sailors were medically treated and they were now in stable, good health except one whose injury was serious.



The Egyptian vessel was carrying cement when it came under fire 65 km from the Lebanese coast in an area between Beirut and Tripoli.

I think we might not get a full picture of what really happened for a while.
 

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The Israelis are probably denying that they had the system turned on in the first place. Just think about it: the Barak has made HUGE export success in India (with more orders to come) plus it can have a dramatic effect on naval warfare. The Israelis are never going to turn off their system: the Egyptians turned off their radars and that resulted in the destruction of their air force. The Israelis would NEVER make that same mistake. To them, safety always comes first. The Americans had their Patriot missiles on the same time that allied aircraft were flying overhead during March 2003...I don't think any accidents had happened. And as for the picture, yeah, looks more like a firecracker had exploded by it rather than a missile.
 

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crazyinsane105 said:
The Israelis are probably denying that they had the system turned on in the first place. Just think about it: the Barak has made HUGE export success in India (with more orders to come) plus it can have a dramatic effect on naval warfare. The Israelis are never going to turn off their system: the Egyptians turned off their radars and that resulted in the destruction of their air force. The Israelis would NEVER make that same mistake. To them, safety always comes first. The Americans had their Patriot missiles on the same time that allied aircraft were flying overhead during March 2003...I don't think any accidents had happened. And as for the picture, yeah, looks more like a firecracker had exploded by it rather than a missile.
Actually, accidents did happen. PAC-3 shot down a British plane and also locked on to one of its own planes. Thankfully, the American plane caught it on the RWR and cannabilized it.
 

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tphuang said:
Also, there was an earlier report from the Israelis that 50 kg of warhead exploded on SAAR 5. Does that mean C-802 did not have the entire warhead of explosives????? Some help here. Popeye, Jeff?

According to my knowledge, the Iranians always make lighter weapons in comparison to it's Chinese counterparts. For example, I heard that the Iranian version of the HJ-8 is lighter than the Chinese or Pakistani one. So I'm guessing in this case, the Iranians went ahead and decreased the size of the warhead??? Just a guess...
 

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Astrotrain sez..
Can you or anyone confirm to me when a US Carrier battle group is engaged a strike mission do the DDGs during aircraft landing and takeoffs from the carrier have their Aegis systems turned off during these events (for fear of shooting down their own aircraft) or are they left on all the time?


If Aegis is active in all scenerios are there unique identifiers on the US aircraft so that the ships can tell friend from Foe? Moreover what are the differientations between an Aegis system in identifying friendly aircraft from what is on the Sa ar?

This anwser could provide us with illumination on this on or off debate regarding the Sa ar.

Intresting you should ask that. Since 9/11/2001 Ageis ships never turn there systems off. Unless they are in re-fit. It is very redundant and is totally interlinking with the whole Aegis system. The ships share all the information with each other. In fact when a Arliegh Burke ship is still being built a ceremony is performed when the Aegis system is "lit off". Here's a link about the PCU Kidd(DDG-100) lighting off Aegis.

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The US military uses an system called IFF..Identify Friend or Foe. US allies use the same or a similar system. It is a systems of codes that are en-coded to aircraft everyday. US military aircraft cannot operate without daily IFF codes incoded.

Personally I do not believe the IDF ship was not operating it's SAAR system. As I said before. Someone goofed..
 

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Twelve Egyptian sailors have been rescued and taken to al-Bassel Hospital in the Syrian coastal city of Tartous on Saturday after their ship which was in offshore Beirut in the Lebanese international waters was fired at said:
Very interesting development indeed!! First the Israelis reported some sort of Hizbullah attack agianst one of their ship off Beirut using unmanned drone (supplied by Iran). It confirmed no injuries initially. Then the Arab media, especially Aljazeera cleimed that 4 sailors were killed in the attack and the ship was seriously damaged, which was later confirmed by Israeli military.

After more than 24 hrs, Israel acknowledged it to be a missile fired by Hizbullah whith a note that the 2nd misslle fired by Hizbullah hit an Egyptian merchant ship. Then the Fox announced that 100 Iranian guards were helping Hizbullah to take on the Israeli ships.

Now the eye witness accounts of the rescued Egyptian sailors confused the whole situation again.

CNN showed shore bombardment by the Israeli ships operating very close to Beirut (may be as close as 7-8 nautical miles). It appeared that Israelis underestimated or ignored Hizbullah's potential completely and was surprised after its stealthy platform was hit by a missile.

My question is, why did Israel first say that it was a drone? Is it difficult to differentiate between a drone and a supersoninic missile?

Anyway, the fact remains, at least one ASM was fired by Hizbullah which hit the best Israeli stealthy corvette, rendering it to be mission killed which was later towed to Haifa.

Another interesting thing is that, soon after the missile incident, both Israel and the Media are no more talking about sea blockade anymore. Did The Israeli Navy give up?
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
The Israelis would NEVER make that same mistake. To them, safety always comes first.

No offence, crazy, but what experience do you have of Israeli naval protocols? None of us were there, so we can't safely say things like "they would never have turned it off". Sometimes people make bad mistakes and poor judgements.

The Americans had their Patriot missiles on the same time that allied aircraft were flying overhead during March 2003...I don't think any accidents had happened.

Oh, right, so I guess British aircraft being blown up doesn't count?

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Apparently it was caused by "a computer glitch" that decided the Tornado was a missile........
 
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My question is, why did Israel first say that it was a drone? Is it difficult to differentiate between a drone and a supersoninic missile?

The C-801 and C-802 are actually subsonic missiles that travel just a tad bit under the speed of sound, at mach 0.9.
 
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