ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
The website of my favorite radio station carries a short article about the US preparing to provide AK-47's and mortar bombs ( a curious limited selection of arms ) to Sunni tribes in Iraq "because the Iraqi army would not be welcome in their area". But the weapons are to be delivered by way of the authorities in Baghdad. :confused:

ISIS ISIL whatever they are called is a state of mind it can't be defeated by weapons and bombs

Over 1,000 air strikes estimated 785 fighters killed and costing $8 million per day

Over a year this will cost over $3 billion pretty much the price tag to have a carrier strike group deployed for 365 days but a carried strike group employs over 6,000 men and women even more if you include the indirect employment
 

wtlh

Junior Member
The website of my favorite radio station carries a short article about the US preparing to provide AK-47's and mortar bombs ( a curious limited selection of arms ) to Sunni tribes in Iraq "because the Iraqi army would not be welcome in their area". But the weapons are to be delivered by way of the authorities in Baghdad. :confused:

Who would like to bet that many of these shining new toys will go into ISIS hands shortly after?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Who would like to bet that many of these shining new toys will go into ISIS hands shortly after?

Probably why the arms being supplied are so low tech and limited.

The west would never admit it, maybe even to itself, but they got burned badly with their Libyan and Syrian misadventures.

Their holdings in Iraq and Afghanistan would not be threatened as it is now if the very jihadists they have been fighting for the last decade were not granted the respite of going to Libya and Syria. There those jihadists had time to reorganise and rebuild the command structure Western drones and special forces forces came so close to destroying in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In fact, those hardcore jihadists were able to train up a whole new generation of jihadists from cannon fodder suicide bombers to commanders, often with the help and training of western allies if not some of the same western special forces operators who were hunting for these guys' predecessors.

These jihadists were then able to consolidate their studies and refine their craft in real combat against a mediocre foe, giving them valuable real combat experience.

In many ways, Syria has proven to be the perfect training and prove ground for jihadists, allow them to train up troops and commanders and test and refine tactics and strategies against a real opponent with little risk (compared to trying to fight western troops), thereby allowing them to build up and continuously pump out battle hardened veterans to use elsewhere.

I think that has been one of the fundamental key strengths that has allowed them to steamroll the Iraqi military and even the previously much vaunted peshmerga units.

Even the west's own air strikes are probably far less effective because of the training their allies and own special forces had given to fighters who would ultimately join with the jihadists on how to avoid Syrian air strikes.

Just to put the cherry on top, it looks increasingly like that some of the high tech weapons the west and its allies had provided to Syrian fighters, like ATGMs and MANPADS are increasingly falling into the hands of the jihadists.

That is on top of the government arms deports they have been looting in Syria and Iraq.

This level of failure is far too grand to lay at the feet of incompetence alone, even though that most certainly played its part. I think there has been some behind the scenes power play in Washington, probably between the Pentagon, the State Department and the CIA and their backers and proxies, all pushing their own agendas.

While it might not have gone quite so far as the factions actively working against each other (although that cannot be entirely ruled out seeing how bitterly the Democrats and Republicans are divided ideologically these days), it certainly looks like they are not working well with each other.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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Rebel fighters drive a tank between the villages of Zahraa and Nubol in the northern Syrian Aleppo province during clashes with pro-government fighters
Picture: MOHAMAD ZEEN/AFP/Getty Images


I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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Rebel fighters aim their weapons as they take positions at the frontline against forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad in Maysaloun neighborhood in the old city of Aleppo November 24, 2014.
REUTERS/Abdalrhman Ismail



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
A Rare View From Inside ISIS Controlled Kobani

[video=youtube;TWcLLwYPsBM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWcLLwYPsBM&feature=player_embedded[/video]


I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

delft

Brigadier
Even from the BBC website:
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29 November 2014 Last updated at 05:50 GMT
Islamic State: Air strikes 'fail to weaken' Islamists
Two months of US-led air strikes have failed to weaken Islamic State (IS) militants, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem has said.

Mr Moualem told Lebanese TV the only way to tackle IS was to force Turkey to tighten border controls and stop foreign fighters crossing into Syria.

He also said Turkey's plan for a no-fly zone over northern Syria would a de facto partition of Syria.

IS controls large swathes of both Syria and neighbouring Iraq.

Losing ground

"All the indications say that (IS) today, after two months of coalition air strikes, is not weaker," Mr Moulame told al-Mayadeen TV on Friday.

"If the (UN) Security Council and Washington do not force Turkey to control its borders then all of this action will not eliminate IS," the minister added.

Turkey has a 900km (560 miles) border with Syria.

Ankara has repeatedly denied claims that it backing militant Islamist groups - inadvertently or otherwise - to help Syrian rebels oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The US and its allies have continued to hit IS targets in Syria and Iraq, but opposition groups backed by Washington in northern Syria have been losing ground to both IS and Syrian government forces.
Remember the WaPo article I copied recently in which Syrian Christians asked Western countries to end support for the terrorists in Syria.
 

aksha

Captain
Maharashtra youth in IS begged to be rescued; reveals journey into terrorism after return

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Mumbai, Nov 29: The four youth from Maharashtra who had been radicalized on the internet before leaving for the ISIS were being monitored on a daily basis by the Indian Intelligence Bureau and during each of the conversations with their families they were weeping un-controllably seeking help to return. In other words, Areef Majeed and the rest had literally begged to be brought back to India.

An officer with the Intelligence Bureau tells OneIndia that Majeed and three others had gone off the radar for a while after they reached Iraq. They stayed in a camp which was specific to Hind recruits and were imparted training for a couple of days. These youth who were fully radicalised on the internet before leaving for Iraq held up for a while but started to give up as they found themselves to be in a situation of complete lawlessness and also doing jobs that they had not expected they would have to do. When the fighting became intense, there was no command or instruction for any of them and each one had to fend for themselves.

There were airstrikes and indiscriminate firing. The injury marks on Majeed were all shots fired by the ISIS-not intentionally, but due to indiscriminate firing. According to Majeed, he escaped to Turkey to seek medical help.

By this time many had thought he was dead and even one of his accomplices Shaheen Tanki had called home to say that Majeed had become a martyr. However, Majeed managed to make contact with his family around 20 days back. He was weeping, sounded scared and tired of the situation. He constantly told his family to contact the Indian agencies and rescue him from the situation that he was in.

Not an easy task:


For the Indian agencies it was not an easy task to get him back. Any wrong move by them would have meant him being killed. Some officers of the agency even flew into Turkey and managed to establish contact with him before ensuring he flew out of there and reached India.

During the questioning, Majeed sounded disturbed. He said clearly that he had gone there to do God's work as he believed that only the ISIS could have provided him a platform. However what disturbed him the most was the manner in which the entire issue was being handled. He realised that he needed to fend for himself and each one was on his own especially when the fighting intensified. He said that he strongly believed in the cause of the ISIS and on reading all the material posted by the outfit online he was sure that only they had the solution. He strongly believed that only they could impose the Sharia law and hence had joined them.

Majeed's journey:


Recounting his journey, he also said that Indians are not given the tasks in Iraq and Syria that they would have hoped for. The Indians figure way below in the hierarchy and are expected to do jobs that are demeaning in nature. A source informed that Majeed continued to say that he believed in the cause of establishing an Islamic State, but was clearly scared and fed up after he reached Iraq- a classic case of "the grass is not always green on the other side".

An Intelligence Bureau official said that the material that is available on the web posted by groups such as the ISIS is very strongly worded. Some youth are bound to get swayed and there is a blood rush in them, which prompts them to leave their homes in the first place.

While questioning Majeed, we found that he was confused on a lot of aspects. At times he broke down and then suddenly he acted stubborn. It was clear to us that he felt strongly for the cause, but realised that that the ISIS was not the solution to his problem.

Attempts on to bring the rest back:


Like Majeed the other three youth have also begged their families to ensure their safe return. The agencies are working on this and would want to have all the rest back in India. Shaheen Tanki has been the one making all the calls to his family and urging them to speak with Home Minister Rajnath Singh to facilitate their return.

Indian agencies who have tracked their location are working on a plan to ensure that those youth too come back to India at the earliest

They have loads of information on them and we would like to get as much as possible. We want this to be an eye opener for all those youth wishing to leave for iraq/Syria and join the ISIS. The message we want to convey is that they will end up doing jobs they hate over there and when it comes to a bloody battle, the ISIS will be the last to save them. The attitude of the ISIS at the time of intense firing is to let people fend for themselves.

Cases were necessary:


The National Investigating Agency was in consultation with the Home Ministry yesterday and only after a green signal was given, did they file the case against Majeed. Cases were filed under the provisions of the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act or the UAPA. A case was also booked under the Indian Penal Code.

The NIA says that the cases were necessary for various reasons. Although the ISIS is not a banned outfit, the cases were booked as this was required for legal purposes to question him. Several youth also should realise that it is a crime to go and battle in another nation and not try to get away with technicalities such as a ban not being in place in India

The NIA, which has prepared a dossier on the ISIS has been pushing for a ban for sometime now. Several cases in the past where the youth have come out openly in support of the ISIS have resulted in counselling with no cases being booked. The Indian government, which is trying its best to bring down this ISIS phenomenon has succeeded in its attempts to a large extent by bringing down the number of youth wanting to join the ISIS from 300 to 20.

The case against Majeed:


Majeed has been booked under the following sections. Sections 16, 18 and 20 of the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act of 1967. He has also been booked under Section 125 of the Indian Penal Code.

Section 16 of the UAPA: Punishment for terrorist act.-(1) Whoever commits a terrorist act shall,-if such act has resulted in the death of any person, be punishable with death or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine. In any other case, be punishable with imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than five years but which may extend to imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

Section 18: Punishment for conspiracy, etc.-Whoever conspires or attempts to commit, or advocates, abets, advises or 3[incites or knowingly facilitates] the commission of, a terrorist act or any act preparatory to the commission of a terrorist act, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than five years but which may extend to imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

Section 20: Punishment for being member of terrorist gang or organisation.-Any person who is a member of a terrorist gang or a terrorist organisation, which is involved in terrorist act, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

Section 125 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) : Waging war against any Asiatic power in alliance with the Government of India.- Whoever wages war against the Government of any Asiatic Power in alliance or at peace with the Government of India or attempts to wage such war, or abets the waging of such war, shall be punished with imprisonment for life, to which fine may be added, or with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to seven years, to which fine may be added, or with fine.

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aksha

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Areeb, the shut window of his home Friday; his parents met the Home Minister this summer. - See more at:
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the boy has brought shame to his family.he had good education,now even if he is released from prision ,he won't even get job.



Islamic State jihadis just rape and butcher: Areeb Majeed tells NIA
The full story of the Kalyan youth's radicalisation, his trip to the ground zero of a terrorist outfit, his trauma and his return

reeb Majeed, who was brought back from Turkey on Friday after his failed adventures with the dreaded Islamic State (IS, earlier known as ISIS), has revealed startling details of how he managed to get in touch with the organisation and travel to Iraq and why he finally decided to come back to India. The 23-year-old was questioned for over eight hours by a joint team of central intelligence agencies and the National Investigation Agency (NIA).

With the help of exclusive information and interrogation details, dna has been able to piece together a profile of the Kalyan boy whose story is that of an average lower middle class boy, who, inexplicably, veered towards terrorism and got completely self- radicalised after reading jihadi literature from about 20,000 websites he accessed.

Areeb has revealed that he and his six friends, during their evening prayers near a mosque in Kalyan, would often discuss ways of becoming more devout Muslims. As their discussions got intense, Areeb began an online search to help their cause. As he got more and more involved, he began reading about ISIS and started getting influenced. Utterly fascinated by the emerging terrorist outfit, Areeb began looking for ways to get in touch with them.

Areeb (not Arif as reported earlier) has told his interrogators that he was self- indoctrinated and surfed more than 20,000 websites in an effort to reach the ISIS camps in Iraq. He finally managed to get a phone number on one of the websites.

After several attempts on that number, he was given another number of a man who was a resident of Bhiwandi, near Kalyan. Areeb then told his friends about this development. Then, three of his close friends Fahad Sheikh, Amaan Tandel and Saheem Tanki agreed to travel with him to Iraq.

Following this, Areeb got in touch with the Bhiwandi contact, who readily agreed to arrange for the money needed for their travel. Then they got in touch with a travel company based near Kalyan and enquired about their travel to Iraq. They were directed to Rahat Tours and Travels in Bhiwandi, which arranges pilgrimage tours to Iraq. Since the situation in Iraq was deteriorating, only pilgrims were allowed to go there.

Areeb and his friends decided to tell the company that they wish to go on a pilgrimage to Iraq. Through the Bhiwandi contact, they managed to gather the money required for their travel.

In April this year, they paid Rs 60,000 per person to the travel company as pilgrimage expenses to Iraq. Following this, their visa was arranged and tickets booked for May 25. Areeb was asked to collect visa and other documents from Ajmeri Tours and Travel, in Dongri, south Mumbai.

On the morning of May 25, all four of them left from Kalyan separately and travelled by local trains and met at the Mumbra station. At Mumbra, their Bhiwandi contact met them, gave them some more cash and wished them luck for their journey.

From there they travelled to the Mumbai international airport and boarded an Etihad flight to Abu Dhabi and from there to Iraq. On May 27, they reached Karbala and travelled directly to Baghdad where they reached on May 30. Since they were travelling with a big group of pilgrims they had to stop over at certain places.

On May 31, during an outing in the local market, Areeb and his friends tricked their local guide, separated from the group and escaped.

Areeb's friend Tanki was asked by a IS contact to hire a taxi to Fallujah, which is close to Mosul. Before leaving, they decided to speak to their families for one last time before they joined the IS camp.

After reaching Mosul, they contacted their Iraqi contact, who sent his associate. The associate helped them reach the Hind camp. At this camp, for a few days, they were educated about the missions, ideology and aims of ISIS. Interrogators believe that they were brainwashed completely at this camp.

After that, they were shifted to training camps. Here, they were told that the IS chief considers men from India to be physically weak and not fit for the battlefield. Only Tanki managed to clear their stringent physical training and was given weapons training.

The other three, including Areeb, were asked to join IS social media team and were also given the task of cleaning and collecting water. At no point was Areeb allowed to go to the war front for direct combat.

It was during this period that his mindset started changing against the IS because there was no place for the teachings of the Holy Quran in the IS camps. The jihadis simply butchered people and raped women.

All the four friends soon got scared, stressed and depressed about their situation. Their imagined jihadi heaven had become hell. In July, Areeb got injured in random firing and sustained bullet wounds on his back and shoulder. He was getting himself treated but his condition was worsening because there was no proper medication or food available in the camps.

Areeb somehow convinced his handlers that he needs treatment and travelled to Turkey through a less inhabited route. On reaching Turkey, he contacted his family and expressed his willingness to come back to India.

Areeb's three other friends are also expected to come back to India in the next few days, according to the NIA.

If all three return, Indian agencies will be in possession of some crucial evidence about the modus operandi of IS and may be in a position to bust some modules here and provide valuable inputs to other global agencies working against the dreaded outfit.
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Miragedriver

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TOW used on a tank by Noureddine Zanki Brigades - again in Sheikh Najjar:
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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