ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

now Trump Urges Erdogan to 'De-Escalate' Syria Fighting
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US President Donald Trump on Wednesday urged his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan to limit his forces'
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, the White House said.

In a telephone call, Trump called on Erdogan to "de-escalate" the attack on Afrin and expressed concern about "the destructive and false" anti-American rhetoric emanating from Turkey.
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Over the weekend Turkish forces backed by local Syrian Arab fighters launched an incursion into Afrin, a border canton administered by a local Kurdish-led council and defended by the YPG militia.

United States forces work with and support the YPG in the east of Syria, where Kurdish fighters form the backbone of the local force that drove the Islamic State group out of its "capital" Raqqa.

But Turkey sees the entire YPG group as a "terrorist" faction of the banned PKK Kurdish guerrilla government which has been fighting a deadly insurgency inside Turkey for three decades.

Kurdish leaders have demanded that the United States rein in Turkey, a NATO ally, and vowed to resist its cross-border operation.

According to a White House statement, Trump "urged Turkey to de-escalate, limit its military actions, and avoid civilian casualties and increases to displaced persons and refugees.

"He urged Turkey to exercise caution and to avoid any actions that might risk conflict between Turkish and American forces," it added.

The US has more than 2,000 special forces and support troops inside Syria, mainly east of the Euphrates in an area also controlled by the YPG but separate from Afrin, which is west of the river.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Isn't digging trenches like military 101? Or the Syrians are moving too quickly back and forth they don't have time to do it

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Trenches would do little to stop armoured VBIEDs, you need pre-fabricated concrete blocks/tank traps to stop or at least slow them down, and heavy weapons to punch through their hillbilly armour at sufficient range that the cook off doesn’t take you out as well.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Trenches would do little to stop armoured VBIEDs, you need pre-fabricated concrete blocks/tank traps to stop or at least slow them down, and heavy weapons to punch through their hillbilly armour at sufficient range that the cook off doesn’t take you out as well.
Not all of them are armored and those that are not are even more scary. A Civilian car rolls up to a checkpoint everything seems fine they go to check them out and wave them though and it explodes. Basically a Suicide bomber on wheels.
 
Sunday at 4:21 PM
and, interestingly, Turkish advancements have been minimal so far: ...
... anyway Kurds call on Syrian regime to intervene in Afrin battle
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Bashar al-Assad asked to protect borders with Turkey from attack

Kurdish militias
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have called on the government of Bashar al-Assad to intervene and protect the area’s borders.

The latest development, nearly a week into Turkey’s military offensive, could undermine Kurdish aspirations for self-governance and, if heeded, could set the stage for a direct military confrontation between Ankara and Damascus.

It could also create an open alliance between the US-backed Kurdish forces and a government that Washington had sought to unseat for years.

“While we insist that we will continue to defend Afrin against rabid external attacks and will confront the Turkish attempts at occupying Afrin, we invite the Syrian state to carry out its sovereign duties towards Afrin and to protect its borders with
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from attack,” the autonomous authority governing Afrin said in a statement on Thursday.

Ankara launched a military offensive into Afrin spearheaded by its Syrian rebel allies on Saturday in order to oust the People’s Protection Units (YPG) from the Kurdish enclave, which borders Turkey.

The government of
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has seethed over the support of the US-led coalition against Isis for the YPG, which led the ground campaign to drive Islamic State from northern Syria.

Turkey considers the YPG and its affiliates as the Syrian wing of the Kurdistan Workers party (PKK), a designated terrorist group that has fought a decades-long insurgency against the Turkish state.

The Afrin offensive was launched after the
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to patrol Syria’s frontiers that would include members of the YPG, a prospect that Turkey considers a major national security threat.

A Turkish foreign ministry official declined to comment on the YPG announcement – or on whether Turkey would fight Syrian government forces if they intervened in Afrin. The Syrian government did not comment, but has condemned Turkey’s intervention as a violation of sovereignty.

The Afrin statement is another twist to the Syrian crisis. The YPG and its political arm have long sought to establish an autonomous, self-governing canton in northern
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, so its calls for a direct intervention by Assad’s government is a setback for those aspirations.

The YPG had often publicly positioned itself as anti-Assad, pointing to the rampant discrimination and abuses against the Syrian
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by the state, which had long denied them identity papers and other rights. But the militia and its political arms have been accused of cooperating closely with the regime.

The call is also an indication of the Kurdish militias’ anger that the US and Russia have been unable to deter Turkey.

The US, which has directly armed the YPG and provided the air cover for the ground operations in Raqqa, has done little apart from urging Turkey to exercise self-restraint in an effort to repair damaged relations with Ankara.

Moscow, which has occasionally cooperated with the Kurds and often insists that they should have a seat at the table in peace negotiations, allowed Ankara to use the airspace above Afrin to conduct the campaign.

It is unclear if the Syrian government will answer Kurdish calls for an intervention, and whether Turkey would halt its operation if that happened or engage in direct hostilities with the regime.

However, such a development could lead to a broader crisis that would endanger peace talks and draw in Assad’s allies, Russia and Iran.
 

Dizasta1

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Oh so now they want the "brutal dictators help" ... How ironic!! Asking Syria for help, while getting arms, money and Intel from the Americans. That's just great.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Syria doesn’t have the strength to stand up to the Turks even if they wanted to. Which is why the Turks are literally invading.

The Turkish regular army may eventually pull out, but they will leave their ‘little green men’ behind to defacto occupy the land.

It’s what they been doing from the start, only their previous effects got curb-stomped by the Russians after the Su24 shoot down.

Now that they and Russia have mended fences, annexation 2.0 is underway.

This is the harsh reality of the western-led ‘rules based world order’.

Unless you kow-tow to the western master powers, you need the raw hard military and economic power (or are protected by another major power that has such power) to resist their endless attempts to subvert your rule to be replaced with someone who would.

No one is safe, not Syria, India, Russia, China or even normally neutral or pro-western powers like Ukraine.

Step out of line like Yanukovych, and a ‘popular’ uprising could literally appear from nothing, almost always co-ordinated, led and sustained by western social media and mainstream media.
 
Tuesday at 9:44 PM
Sunday at 4:21 PM
and, interestingly, Turkish advancements have been minimal so far: ...
... and now noticed what some Russian blogger says the Turkish Orbat is (don't quote this to say it's unconfirmed or what ever else):
  • elements of the 52nd Tank Division, probably a Tank Brigade
  • SF Brigade of
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  • a Tank Brigade, a Mechanized Brigade, and an Artillery Regiment of
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  • about 5k fighters of
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  • support units
  • aviation
in total up to 30k rifles, 7 Tank Battalions with "over 280" tanks

Turkish estimate of the number of Kurdish fighters: between 8k and 10k

also put some interesting operational comments which I don't translate:
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erlen

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There is no way that many soldiers...i think FSA main infantry foces...

Turkish army does not have SF...SF(Special forces command) is only subordinate to the Turkish General Staff and they are outside the Land Forces chain of command.
Turkish army have so many commando brigade but the term 'commando' is different when it comes to the Turkish Armed Forces....the term of Commando refers to the specialised infantry or something like that but not SF.

200 commandos are heading to afrin...(from Bingol 49th commando brigade)

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erlen

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Advencement minimal because bad weather( muddy and foggy),challenging geographical region and so many trenches, fortifications....limited the casualties so important for Turkey
 
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