ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

thunderchief

Senior Member
Does any one out there get the feeling that prophecies of the of the bible are being fulfilled towards armegadon I don't like these feelings at all worse still is the stupidity our leaders are displaying seems like they are playing right into their hands

It is getting kind of eerie :D If China really enters Syrian theater , all major world powers would be gathered in ME. I hope we would not have Abomination of Desolation, destruction of Jerusalem , battle of Armageddon and End of Times :D
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
It is getting kind of eeriTSJ If China really enters Syrian theater , all major world powers would be gathered in ME. I hope we would not have Abomination of Desolation, destruction of Jerusalem , battle of Armageddon and End of Times :D

Except this time all the world's top powers would be gathered to fight a common enemy (or at least that's the script).

It's hard to see how those world powers could end up fighting each other unless one or more of them openly comes out in support of ISIS, which I just cannot seen ever happening.

There is a big debate right now at the UN regarding Syria right now.

This could be interesting to watch, particularly on China's stance.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Except this time all the world's top powers would be gathered to fight a common enemy (or at least that's the script).

It's hard to see how those world powers could end up fighting each other unless one or more of them openly comes out in support of ISIS, which I just cannot seen ever happening.

There is a big debate right now at the UN regarding Syria right now.

This could be interesting to watch, particularly on China's stance.

I feel that ISIS (no matter how brutal are they) represents just an excuse, and real reasons are much deeper ( petrodollar , Sunni vs Shia , reshaping of Europe's demographics , spheres of influence ... ) . And who knows, maybe God really wants to end this world :D

Anyway, with all this powers with different interests gathered on same place, unexpected things could happen, especially because they support different and hostile parties on the ground .
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I feel that ISIS (no matter how brutal are they) represents just an excuse, and real reasons are much deeper ( petrodollar , Sunni vs Shia , reshaping of Europe's demographics , spheres of influence ... ) . And who knows, maybe God really wants to end this world :D

Anyway, with all this powers with different interests gathered on same place, unexpected things could happen, especially because they support different and hostile parties on the ground .

Indeed, there will be many hidden agendas at play, but I don't think many of them are unknown to those involved.

If anything, I think the European refugee crisis has became a massive wake up call for many countries in Europe, that for the first time in a very long time, the human costs of western military adventurism is being witnessed first hand by many westerners in their own countries, and they have to pay not just for the war, but also for the fallout and aftermath.

Despite all the hype about our information age world, I think there is still a world of difference between seeing news reports about suffering on your TV screens and looking into the living, breathing face of that suffering on your own streets and doorsteps.

I think this has really become a wedge issue between Europe and America+UK.

In the past, America and Britain have been able to leverage and exploit the differences between the Ex-Communist "New Europe" and the established "Old Europe" powers centred around Germany and France.

However, it is the "New European" countries who are taking the brunt of the refugee crisis, even if the bulk of the refugees ultimately want to settle in "Old Europe", so this crisis is pretty much unifying Europe in common annoyance at the part America and Britain are widely believed to have played in fermenting, instigating and enabling the Syrian civil war which created the conditions to allow ISIS to flourish.

The only European country still staunchly pro-American is the UK, who conveniently can effectively insulate themselves from the refugee crisis because they are not part of Shengen.

I think Russia recognises this growing rift, and is now trying to exploit and exacerbate it.

You will all note the very muted response everyone bar the US and UK had to the Russian military deployments in Syria.

If the US and UK tries to torpedo a Russian (possibly with Chinese support) UN initiative that looks like it has a solid chance of working, I think the Europeans would be most displeased, maybe even to the point where they are prepared to break ranks and support the Russian initiative in defiance of America.

I think that may be the jackpot Putin is playing for - to use the Syrian refugee crisis to create a wedge issue between America and the bulk of the European powers.

In that context, his willingness to get directly involved in Syria would make a great deal more sense, and the ultimate goal could be worth the costs in terms of treasure and blood. If he proposed this initiatives to the Chinese with that aim, it may well be enough to sway Beijing to commit money, and maybe even troops to that project.
 

janjak desalin

Junior Member
[...]If the US and UK tries to torpedo a Russian (possibly with Chinese support) UN initiative that looks like it has a solid chance of working, I think the Europeans would be most displeased, maybe even to the point where they are prepared to break ranks and support the Russian initiative in defiance of America.[...]
I thought that this could be one interpretation of France's recent first air-strikes against ISIL in Syria, a signal that 'we're willing to work with you on this'.
 
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SampanViking

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Indeed, there will be many hidden agendas at play, but I don't think many of them are unknown to those involved.

If anything, I think the European refugee crisis has became a massive wake up call for many countries in Europe, that for the first time in a very long time, the human costs of western military adventurism is being witnessed first hand by many westerners in their own countries, and they have to pay not just for the war, but also for the fallout and aftermath.

Despite all the hype about our information age world, I think there is still a world of difference between seeing news reports about suffering on your TV screens and looking into the living, breathing face of that suffering on your own streets and doorsteps.

I think this has really become a wedge issue between Europe and America+UK.

In the past, America and Britain have been able to leverage and exploit the differences between the Ex-Communist "New Europe" and the established "Old Europe" powers centred around Germany and France.

However, it is the "New European" countries who are taking the brunt of the refugee crisis, even if the bulk of the refugees ultimately want to settle in "Old Europe", so this crisis is pretty much unifying Europe in common annoyance at the part America and Britain are widely believed to have played in fermenting, instigating and enabling the Syrian civil war which created the conditions to allow ISIS to flourish.

The only European country still staunchly pro-American is the UK, who conveniently can effectively insulate themselves from the refugee crisis because they are not part of Shengen.

I think Russia recognises this growing rift, and is now trying to exploit and exacerbate it.

You will all note the very muted response everyone bar the US and UK had to the Russian military deployments in Syria.

If the US and UK tries to torpedo a Russian (possibly with Chinese support) UN initiative that looks like it has a solid chance of working, I think the Europeans would be most displeased, maybe even to the point where they are prepared to break ranks and support the Russian initiative in defiance of America.

I think that may be the jackpot Putin is playing for - to use the Syrian refugee crisis to create a wedge issue between America and the bulk of the European powers.

In that context, his willingness to get directly involved in Syria would make a great deal more sense, and the ultimate goal could be worth the costs in terms of treasure and blood. If he proposed this initiatives to the Chinese with that aim, it may well be enough to sway Beijing to commit money, and maybe even troops to that project.

I think everything is incremental in this and yes I broadly agree with pretty much everything you have said.
I also note that it has been Russian friend Serbia that has bussed the migrants through to the EU border without stinting and it has been Russian friend Hungary that has led the charge in complaining about the influx and blocking the border etc.

If Russia has a game plan for this area, I think it is simple, to get more Russian friendly governments back into as many former Soviet states as possible and push the arm of NATO back as far West as possible.
 

newguy02

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Syria, Iran, Russia, Iraq, and China are joining their resources together to exterminate ISIS

ISIS + Uighur terrorists cowardly executing the helpless civilians.

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I can definitely see China sending advisors to Syria, however I don't know if China will be willing to send actual combat troops into Syria, nevertheless if this is true, it'll be exciting to see Chinese troops being deployed into an active war zone for the first time in nearly 35+ years.
 
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