ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

kwaigonegin said:

I agree. For the most part ramadi has been pro government and not ISIS sympathizers. I'm afraid the revenge killing and torture of men, women and children by ISIS will be unrelentless and cruel beyond believe.

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I doubt they are pro-government and anti-ISIS . That city has over 400 000 inhabitants. It would be easy to form local militia division of at least 10 000 fighters to fight Islamists. There are plenty of weapons out there, especially infantry weapons and they would have advantage of knowing local terrain . As it stands, most of Iraqi Sunnis dislike both government (they consider it Shia-dominated ) and ISIS . They are sitting on sidelines waiting for victor to emerge .

thunderchief said:

I doubt they are pro-government and anti-ISIS . That city has over 400 000 inhabitants. It would be easy to form local militia division of at least 10 000 fighters to fight Islamists. There are plenty of weapons out there, especially infantry weapons and they would have advantage of knowing local terrain . As it stands, most of Iraqi Sunnis dislike both government (they consider it Shia-dominated ) and ISIS . They are sitting on sidelines waiting for victor to emerge .

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We shall see. the city has much fewer than 400K now and I doubt local militias can be form so quickly and effectively to counter ISIS. As to their allegiance, if you do not conform to the strictest of Sharia Laws you'll likely have a very very bad time adapting to ISIS rule. Even the Sunnis there are very anti ISIS nevermind the shia populace.

Let's hope the cruelty and massacres are kept to the absolute minimum.

kwaigonegin said:

We shall see. the city has much fewer than 400K now and I doubt local militias can be form so quickly and effectively to counter ISIS. As to their allegiance, if you do not conform to the strictest of Sharia Laws you'll likely have a very very bad time adapting to ISIS rule. Even the Sunnis there are very anti ISIS nevermind the shia populace.

Let's hope the cruelty and massacres are kept to the absolute minimum.

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ISIS has been around for a while. If they really wanted to fight them, they could have organized themselves long ago . And really, I doubt there was even a 1000 ISIS fighters in that group that took the city. Iraqi government is now looking for volunteers from Sunnis inhabiting the region to fight ISIS and there aren't many . Simply, they don't like ISIS but they don't like government either .

thunderchief said:

ISIS has been around for a while. If they really wanted to fight them, they could have organized themselves long ago . And really, I doubt there was even a 1000 ISIS fighters in that group that took the city. Iraqi government is now looking for volunteers from Sunnis inhabiting the region to fight ISIS and there aren't many . Simply, they don't like ISIS but they don't like government either .

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You under estimate the ruthlessness of ISIS. Just a couple hundred were able to defeat a few brigades of Iraqi army numbering thousands and armed with modern weaponry, I hate to see what a thousand can do.

kwaigonegin said:

You under estimate the ruthlessness of ISIS. Just a couple hundred were able to defeat a few brigades of Iraqi army numbering thousands and armed with modern weaponry, I hate to see what a thousand can do.

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is that really a testament to ISIS/ISIL's ruthlessness, or evidence of the lack of motivation, will, and heart of those Iraqi brigades?

US officials: Iran is sending troops to Iraqi fight for key oil refinery

AP In this Thursday, July 31, 2014, file photo, smoke rises from an oil refinery in Beiji, some 250 kilometers (155 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, after an attack by Islamic militants.

Iran has entered the fight to retake a major Iraqi oil refinery from Islamic State militants, contributing small numbers of troops, including some operating artillery and other heavy weapons in support of advancing Iraqi ground forces, U.S. defense officials said Friday.

Two U.S. defense officials said Iranian forces have taken a significant offensive role in the Beiji operation in recent days, in conjunction with Iraqi Shiite militia. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

One official said Iranians are operating artillery, 122mm rocket systems and surveillance and reconnaissance drones to help the Iraqi counteroffensive.

The Iranian role was not mentioned in a new U.S. military statement asserting that Iraqi security forces, with U.S. help, had managed to establish a land route into the Beiji refinery compound. The statement Friday by the U.S. military headquarters in Kuwait said Iraqis have begun reinforcing and resupplying forces isolated inside the refinery compound.

ReutersIn this file photo taken Thursday, June 19, 2014, Islamic State group militants stand with a captured Iraqi army Humvee at a checkpoint outside Beiji refinery, some 250 kilometers (155 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq.

Iran's role in Iraq is a major complicating factor for the Obama administration as it searches for the most effective approach to countering the Islamic State group. U.S. officials have said they do not oppose contributions from Iran-supported Iraqi Shiite militias as long as they operate under the command and control of the Iraqi government.

Friday's U.S. military statement quoted Brig. Gen. Thomas Weidley as saying that over the past three days Iraqi security forces and federal police have made "steady, measured progress" in regaining some areas leading to the Beiji refinery compound, in the face of suicide vehicle-borne bombs and rocket attacks. Weidley, chief of staff of the U.S.-led military headquarters in Kuwait, recently described the oil refinery as a "key infrastructure and critical crossroads."

The U.S. statement said Iraqis, enabled by the U.S. and its coalition partners, have "successfully cleared and established a ground route" into the refinery to resupply Iraqi troops. It listed U.S. and coalition contributions as including airstrikes, reconnaissance and the use of "advise and assist elements."

Asked about the newly emerging role of Iranian forces in Beiji, the U.S. command in Kuwait had no immediate comment but promised a response.

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IS fighters recently gained substantial control over the oil refinery, a strategically important prize in the battle for Iraq's future and a potential source of millions of dollars in income for the militants. They also control the nearby town of Beiji, on the main route from Baghdad to Mosul, along the Tigris River.

The militants' move on Beiji largely coincided with its successful offensive in Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, last week. Iraqi forces withdrew from Ramadi on Sunday, leaving behind large numbers of U.S.-supplied vehicles, including several tanks. The U.S. said Friday that its airstrikes in Ramadi overnight hit an IS fighting unit, destroying five armored vehicles, two tanks and other military vehicles, as well as nine abandoned tanks and other armored vehicles.

Together, the Ramadi and Beiji losses have fueled criticism of the Obama administration's Iraq strategy and prompted the White House to authorize an acceleration of U.S. weapons transfers to Baghdad, including expedited shipments of 2,000 shoulder-fired missiles for use against armored suicide vehicles.

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Iran had contributed advisers, training and arms to Iraqi Shiite militias in an attempt to retake the city of Tikrit in March, but that effort stalled. In April, after the U.S. joined the effort with airstrikes, Iraqi security forces and allied Shiite militias succeeded in regaining control of the city.

Tony Cordesman, a Middle East expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said that while some in Tehran see the advantages of a Shiite-led Iraqi government that deals equitably with the Sunni and Kurdish populations in order to achieve national unity, Iranian hardliners do not.

"At best, they are still pursuing a policy of competing with the United States for military influence over the Iraqi military and police, Shiite militias, and even influence over Iraq's Kurds,"

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in an analysis published Thursday. "At worst -- and 'at worst' now seems more likely than 'at best' -- Iran's leaders are seeking an Iraq where Iran has dominant influence" after the Islamic State threat has been overcome.

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janjak desalin said:

is that really a testament to ISIS/ISIL's ruthlessness, or evidence of the lack of motivation, will, and heart of those Iraqi brigades?

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Both. Remember ISIL fighters are far more determine and discipline than those Iraqi troops as of now.

A long and interested article about the background of IS:

janjak desalin said:

is that really a testament to ISIS/ISIL's ruthlessness, or evidence of the lack of motivation, will, and heart of those Iraqi brigades?

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Personally I think it's a ill bit of both or maybe a lot of both. ISIS is ruthless and Iraqis lost the will and motivation to fight.

kwaigonegin said:

Personally I think it's a ill bit of both or maybe a lot of both. ISIS is ruthless and Iraqis lost the will and motivation to fight.

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Just putting down my opinion here.

There is also a degree of operational expertise from former Iraqi army (after dissolution of army post-2003) commanders. ISIS have shown themselves to be capable of making formidable hit and run forces, and no doubt have a great deal of experience gained from various battles during the earlier years in the Syrian Civil War. Now that they have stolen Abrams tanks/American hardware, they are reaping up even more victories unfortunately. Both the Syrian Arab Army and Iraqi Army have both been on the back foot since almost the beginning, barring a few tactical victories.

Right now, some of the best Iraqi units have been mauled badly (Golden Brigade etc.) and the level of fanaticism shown with so many suicide bombings is /immensely/ demotivating. One can only wonder what it'll take to fully end the ISIS threat once and for all.

OT, and on a lighter note. Has anyone noticed that these guys are somewhat reminiscent of the GLA from the game C&C Generals? Albeit without the chemical/biological weapons thankfully.