Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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Equation

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Sorry mate you can’t have it both ways.

Following Biscuits insistence that Michael Kovrig’s case is fair even though he has not been formally charged, given no access to legal counsel, no transparency, being held in indefinite detention I have reluctantly accepted that position. I have been accused of being unreasonable for not accepting such a position of fairness. I am now applying that same standard of fairness as you guys insist on using and I can therefore conclude beyond reasonable doubt that Meng’s case is entirely fair in comparison. She has received all due process, she has full legal representation, there is total visibility on the case, there are known timelines and she is out on bail. Therefore by the same standard you guys set and by the reasoning you guys used, anybody who complains Meng’s case is unfair is entirely unreasonable and in my opinion totally hypocritical.

Case closed. Discussions ended.

Awwww, case closed, discussion ended? Oh no! Am I too late? Please let me say something before you close and end it! Hahahaha That's so cute. Fantasizing about positions of power, closing cases that you have no authority over, are we? You can choose to leave any time and to accept defeat or not. The results are laid out for everyone to see. You clearly have a reading comprehension problem as on multiple occasions, you have repeated arguments that have already been rebutted or addressed. I won't bother to rewrite it for you this time; I'll just quote myself on the difference between Meng's case and Krovig's:

"If Meng was arrested for endangering the national security of Canada, there would be no uproar. She was arrested in Canada for no offenses against Canada, but for actions that aren't even considered crimes internationally. She's basically being accused of lying to Americans and to be arrested for such indicates that somewhere in Canada's perverse legal system, they think that it is a criminal offense for a Chinese citizen to lie to American authorities when it should at most be a civil case with damage restitution being sought."

And therefore the joint conclusion is that China was perfectly within its rights by arresting Krovig while Canada's kangaroo court has acted illegally and immorally regarding Meng Wanzhou on a matter over which it has no legal jurisdiction. Case closed, buh bye, you lose again, thanks for playing, see you next time! ;) See? I can do that better than you as well!:D
 

signgraph

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Case closed. Discussions ended.

For once, I agree with you. The case is closed. You have been utterly dominated and humiliated throughout this discussion. Be a good sport and stop clogging the forum with your drivel.

Look at that "rule of law". LOL

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Hendrik_2000

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ok guys move on. China play hard ball with Canada now canola oil import is blocked
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China blocks some Canada canola shipments, Ottawa expresses concern
By Dominique Patton and Rod Nickel,Reuters 3 hours ago
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FILE PHOTO: A canola crop used for making cooking oil sits in full bloom on the Canadian prairies near Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada July 11, 2011. REUTERS/Todd Korol/File Photo
By Dominique Patton and Rod Nickel

BEIJING/KABUL (Reuters) - China has canceled Canadian agribusiness Richardson International Ltd's registration to ship canola to China, the company said on Tuesday, the latest sign of tensions between Ottawa and Beijing.

It was not immediately clear why exports to China by Richardson, the world's top importer of canola, had been halted.

Canada and China are locked in a dispute over trade and telecoms technology that has ensnared the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies Ltd, the world's largest telecommunications equipment maker, who faces U.S. criminal charges.

Officials at China's General Administration of Customs did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Richardson spokeswoman Hayley Johnson confirmed that China revoked the company's import permit for canola, after Reuters earlier reported a document listing approved shippers posted on the website of the Chinese customs administration on March 1 showed the cancellation.

The document is a revised version of a notice first posted on Jan. 14. A note beside the entry for Richardson International in the latest document reads: "Canola export registration already canceled."

A lasting block on Richardson's canola exports would be a headache for Canada's biggest grain handler and a potential blow for the country's economy as a whole.

Oilseeds like canola, fruit and grain are Canada's biggest China export category, making up nearly 17 percent of all exports in 2017, the latest annual data available, according to the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada.

ICE May canola futures fell $4.30, or about 1 percent, to $458.50 per ton.

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Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said she was "very concerned" by the blocked shipment.

"We do not believe there is any scientific basis for this ... we are working very very hard with the Chinese government on this issue," she told reporters in Longueuil, Quebec, saying the matter was of the utmost priority for Ottawa.

CANADIAN CANOLA, AUSTRALIAN COAL

As the diplomatic dispute between China and Canada intensified, Beijing has detained two Canadians working in China, and on Monday accused one of them of stealing Chinese state secrets passed on to him by the other.

There had already been reports last month that Canadian canola shipments to China had been slow to clear customs amid the dispute.

China buys some C$2.5 billion ($1.88 billion) of Canadian canola per year, and a slower pace of sales would mean another hit for exporters, which include Viterra and Cargill Ltd.

The restriction on imports of canola from a country with which links have worsened echoes moves by Chinese customs to slow clearing of Australian coal imports.

Australia's ties with China have deteriorated since 2017, when Canberra accused China of meddling in its domestic affairs.

($1 = 1.3331 Canadian dollars)

(Reporting by Dominique Patton in Beijing and Rod Nickel in Kabul; Additional reporting by Hallie Gu in Beijing and David Ljunggren in Ottawa and Tom Polansek in Chicago; editing by Kenneth Maxwell and Grant McCool)
 
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gelgoog

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Japan LNG imports fall as nuclear plants restart
05 March 2019
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In 2019 - which will be their first full year of operation - the EIA estimates the restarted nuclear reactors will further displace Japan's LNG imports by about 5 million tonnes, equivalent to 10% of Japan's power sector natural gas consumption and 6% of its LNG imports in 2018.

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long-term energy policy calls for nuclear's share to reach 20-22% by 2030 which the EIA says would require up to 30 reactors to be in operation. In addition to the nine of Japan's 39 operable reactors that have already resumed operation, another 16 reactors have applied to restart.

All of Japan's natural gas demand is met with imported LNG, and it imports more than any other country, the EIA noted. Over a third - 34.7% - of its LNG imports comes from Australia, followed by Malaysia (13.4%) and Qatar (12.0%). Japanese natural gas generation has been declining since it peaked in 2014 and is likely to decline further this year as generation from nuclear increases, the EIA said. The outlook for further LNG imports will be largely dependent on the number of nuclear restarts, it said.
So basically Japan will be cutting back on LNG imports. This will have a significant impact not only on Australian LNG but also on planned US LNG exports to Asia. When you add to that the fact that Russia and Japan are working out on how to increase exports of LNG to Japan and maybe even make a pipeline to Japan from Sakhalin these major explorations in Australia and the US seem to be turning out increasingly less viable. For example the Russians have plans to increase LNG production in Vladivostok with a liquefaction facility there. That should be quite a lot cheaper than the alternatives not to mention that the transportation costs will be a lot less. People also forget that Canada exports most of its oil and gas products via the US. Canada has limited oil refining capabilities. Thus if China wants to hit Canada the best way is to go via the indirect approach.
 

weig2000

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More evidence that the US campaign to ban Huawei has backfired at least when it comes to the company's technology reputation.

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The same reason why US targeted telecoms group also puts it in a strong position
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Six months after coming under attack, the Chinese telecoms company Huawei is switching from defence to offence.

This week, the Chinese company intends to start suing the US, which has labelled its telecoms equipment as a security risk, for banning it from federal contracts.

The lawsuit comes after weeks of advertising campaigns, an assiduous courtship of journalists around the world and even an attempt to get the hashtag #HuaweiFacts to trend on social media.

At the end of last year, Huawei seemed down and out, with the “Five Eyes” intelligence sharing network of countries and other European allies considering joining Washington in blocking its equipment from next-generation infrastructure — the 5G networks that will enable faster streaming of videos and, when they come, laser-fast response on internet of things devices.

But the campaign is wobbling. The UK and New Zealand have backpedalled; Germany and France are likewise taking a more conciliatory line, even though Mike Pompeo, US secretary of state, warned of the consequences of using Chinese equipment. “We won’t be able to work alongside them . . . We’re not going to put American information at risk,” he said.

As the UK weighed up the Huawei debate, the UK telecoms company BT became one of the first foreign companies to win a licence to offer corporate telecoms networks in China. “BT had been seeking this licence for some time,” said one person familiar with the deal. “That’s the coincidence we see in play.”

A number of reputable names such as Robert Hannigan, former director of GCHQ, the UK’s communications intelligence agency, came out in support of a more flexible line. Huawei’s founder and president Ren Zhengfei, a largely reclusive figure, gave interviews to the UK’s BBC and CBS.

In taking to the courts, Huawei is borrowing a page from Kaspersky Lab, the Russian cyber security company that filed two lawsuits after US officials banned it from government systems in 2017, arguing that the ban violates the constitutional prohibition on passing a law which singles out an individual or group for punishment without trial.

Behind the US concerns on Huawei lie China’s increasing mastery of mobile internet technology. Galled at not playing a significant role in previous generations of mobile internet, in part because it devised its own standards, Beijing was determined to be in front when it came to 5G.

A glance at the relevant industry bodies shows how successful it has been. Houlin Zhao was late last year re-elected for a second four-year term as secretary-general of the International Telecommunication Union, the 154-year-old UN agency for information and communications technologies.

China also dominates 3GPP, the standard-setting body, with 110 individual members (including some local arms of multinationals) hailing from China compared with 82 from the US, the next biggest.

“The standard-setting process has always been a long and arduous one in which various techs try to play the system to their own advantage,” said one former US regulator. Dinners and smoky rooms all play a role in the backdrop to votes, he added — they have learnt from the American playbook.

Meanwhile, Huawei’s spending on research and development has left it in an enviable position.

While European and US telecoms equipment makers were reeling from the huge debt binge undertaken by the telecoms industry in the late 1990s, laying off staff and raising cash, Huawei was quietly building. Today even its critics concede that Huawei makes good equipment.

As importantly, thanks to economies of scale — and, critics say, state subsidies — it is cheaper and can come with generous vendor finance.

That matters even beyond emerging markets. The economics of telecoms carriers mean big upfront payments and a payback dependent upon take-up — and as of now there is only a very limited use case for 5G.

The jury is out on the raft of complaints levelled at Huawei, including IP theft and snooping. Huawei itself may be down at the moment, but it is far from out.
 

gelgoog

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Last I heard about it the bulk of the case against Meng was that she used "US banks" to sell telecoms equipment to Iran. Only a couple of nits with that. The Iran sanctions were lifted and the "US bank" was IIRC HSBC.
 

Tam

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Should give note to the other Chinese 5G patent holders besides Huawei and ZTE, that may well hold nearly two thousand patents combined from these companies.

HiSilicon --- Chip design subsidiary wholly owned by Huawei, however it files its patents separate from Huawei.

China Academy of Telecommunications Technology --- State Owned.

Datang Telecommunications --- State Owned.

China Mobile
 
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