Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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Air Force Brat

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OK I also have issues with AFB (mostly F-35 Project, LOL) so I'll press 'Like' just to finish this debate, right after this:

I lived under Communists,
wild 1990s came,
then went to the US (where LOL! I had briefly tried to pursue American dream until failed),
came back to what's more or less typical EU country,
and I'm telling you the most important thing is the freedom of choice

as I said, I like both you and AFB; I'm done.

ah, my friend, it does you little good to attempt to reason with the "unreasonable", but thanks for your honesty and loyalty! Freedom is a beautiful gift, but the "American Dream" is that every man, has an opportunity to "speak his mind" and voice his concerns... and either succeed or fail as opportunity and your own merits warrant... you should have stayed, the "American Dream" is alive and well, but it takes lots and lots of hard work, and more than a few blessings along the way

"In God we Trust", we have a great and merciful God, and he, and he alone is able to offer us "salvation" and "eternal life", so the greatest freedom of all is the God given right to seek and to serve Him, and Him alone, America has a profound history as a "Christian Nation".

We as a Nation of Patriots have not only God given rights? but responsibilities as well, and one of those responsibilities is to defend the defenseless, and to defend our Nation from those who would bring harm and a loss of freedom...

As one who came here in search of opportunity, you found great freedom, and that my friend is what continues to allow us great opportunity....

I give my God the Glory and Honor for all my Blessings! I welcome those who would wish to share this freedom and opportunity.....

theres no "Ellis Island" or "Statue of Liberty" anywhere else, give to us as a gift by our French Friends, who recognized that there were indeed special opportunities...

and to address Huawei, I believe President Trump is reaching out for a mutually beneficial trade deal, hopefully he will step in and bring a new peace and honor both sides, he does indeed like and respect President Xi, and together they will figure this out.... trust me....
 

antiterror13

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I've been to ROC for a couple of weeks. Great people, very hard working. Come to think of it, it's about time I plan a vacation to the mainland.

Although, to get a proper perspective one would need to stay there for work and get immersed in the culture. In the meantime, I occasionally follow YouTube channels of westerners living in PRC.

so, you haven't ? ... watching youtube doesn't mean you know China

Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese are basically the same people ... I have been to both countries ... very similar. The differences are the scale and the development
 
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Chinese tech company
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on Sunday unveiled its Mate X, a foldable
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ready smartphone that will retail for 2,299 euros ($2,607). It is expected to be available to the public by summer.

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Nutrient

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As usual from you, Brumby, lots of allegations and FUD, and absolutely no backing documentation.


As a preamble it is important to appreciate that 5G due to its complexity brings a new level of overall security risk not present in 4G. This is the technical advice provided by the chief of Australia’s Signals Directorate (ASD) and became a significant consideration in Australia’s decision to ban Huawei. Essentially with 5G, a firewall between the core technology and its edge cannot be reasonably assured unlike in 4G.

In other words, 5G uses more distributed routing, like the Internet. Why are 5G conversations more of a threat than Internet connections?


Huawei do not have a history of ethical behaviour by western standards especially with its theft and violation of proprietary data.

Prove that Huawei is worse than Western companies.


This include the 2010 Motorola case over the misappropriation of proprietary wireless switching technology

Huawei countersued Motorola Solutions for intellectual property violations. In the end, both companies dropped their respective lawsuits. Why do you assert that Huawei was guilty and Motorola Solutions wasn't?


and in the 2003 Cisco case of stealing proprietary network router technology.

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. The "with prejudice" part means the court thought Cisco's claims were particularly worthless, and prevented Cisco from making similar legal accusations in the future.


The most recent indictment regarding T-Mobile filed on 16th January 2019 in the US District court of Seattle Washington outlined in detail not only Huawei’s attempt at stealing proprietary information but in its subsequent cover up. Details revealed including Huawei’s official policy of not only actively encouraging its employees to steal confidential information from competitor but reward them for their effort.

So what major Western company does not do industrial espionage? And is occasionally convicted for it?

In fact, industrial espionage was what the United States specialized in doing. In 1791, Alexander Hamilton wrote “Report on Manufactures”, which called on Congress to reward people who brought technologies from abroad to America. And Congress did reward many people for the espionage.

We Were Pirates, Too
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The US complains that others steal its technology, but America was once a tech pirate itself
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So tell me, how is Huawei worse than Western companies?


This is amplified by China’s National Intelligence Law, passed in 2017 that compels “all organisations and citizens” to help the country’s intelligence work.

That is nothing unusual. Many countries have similar laws. For example, the U.S.
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of 1994 (CALEA) describes itself as "An Act to amend title 18, United States Code, to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for Law Enforcement purposes, and for other purposes." (Emphasis added.)

So not only is China's National Intelligence law not unusual, we KNOW that U.S. telecoms equipment is insecure, because that is the law.

Even a cursory examination shows that your arguments against Huawei are mere fear mongering.
 
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Are China and the world ready for 5G?
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The hype is building as a spate of new smartphones will be revealed at the upcoming Mobile World Congress (MWC) starting February 25. Conferences in recent years saw only incremental improvements to existing models, but this one promises to be explosive as industry giants are expected to unveil phones with foldable screens and 5G capabilities. Major brands such as Apple will be there, but the presence of multiple Chinese phone makers sporting competitive features reveal the global aspirations of the country's tech companies.

The public was able to get a tantalizing glimpse ahead of the MWC, through Samsung unveiling its foldable and 5G-capable smartphones almost a week before and the online leak of Huawei's new model sporting similar features. At the event, other Chinese brands such as Xiaomi and Oppo are also expected to showcase new models with the capability. The only major player to not get on the bandwagon so far seems to be Apple. But as the buzzword catches fire, smartphones that have 5G will need more than just commercial excitement to jumpstart the transition to a faster digital world.

This article will not speculate on what models which brands will reveal at the MWC 2019, scheduled to run until the 28th in Barcelona, Spain. Others are already doing that. But with 5G on the lips and minds of industry watchers, one question stands out: Is the world ready for it?

But I like my 4G...

You can already stream your Netflix show on the go with barely any lag, so why would you want even faster data and lower latency (think delay)? Must we be stuck in a cycle of speed as a virtue? What is 5G, anyway?

The term refers to a standard for wireless mobile data transmission. A network is deemed to be 5G if it reaches the specified speed and latency standards, among other requirements. Compared with 4G, 5G could be 10-20 times faster, allowing not just smoother high-res streaming of your YouTube cat videos, but opens the door to a bunch of new applications.

Think of self-driving vehicles communicating with each other to optimize traffic flow, doctors conducting remote surgery in rural areas with no wired access to the Internet, and the tech fanatic using smart glasses reliably to navigate the physical world.

User experience aside, 5G could change the notion of equal access to the Internet. While 4G essentially allowed anybody to tap into similar speeds given the constraints of the local infrastructure, the new standard allows network providers to offer different speeds in a locality through "network slicing." This means that a carrier or provider could offer packages at different prices in an area, with users or enterprises having to pay more on the same network to access faster speeds and other superior features.

China's 5G dream

While developed countries all have 5G on their schedules, China is going all in. China Mobile, the country's largest mobile operator, set up a site in 2017 using a 10-kilometer stretch of road in Beijing's Fangshan District, outfitting the area with 5G cell towers and sensors to test wireless communications between self-driving cars and their surroundings. The telecom giant also conducted similar tests in other major cities, like Shanghai and Guangzhou.

The timeline for widespread 5G adoption may vary according to each country, but China has the incentive to make the transition. This was seen with 4G in the country, leaping from eight percent penetration of 1.29 billion mobile connections in 2014 to 70 percent of 1.39 billion such connections in 2017. This rate of adoption,
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by the global trade body for mobile operators GSMA, provides a glimpse of the expansive market in the country.

Such numbers are also encouraging for those deliberating on investing in new infrastructure to support 5G. The U.S. and Japan could be slower to adopt the standard because they have to upgrade or replace their extensive 4G cell sites, along with competing alternatives such as wired Internet access at comparable speeds.

Meanwhile, China has government support through subsidies and the regulatory will for a quicker, more widespread rollout. It also has numerous rural regions with little or no wired access to the Internet, so new 5G infrastructure would play a vital role in delivering speed along with convenience to those populations.

All of these figures would be hot air, however, without consumer applications and widespread adoption of phones with 5G in the near future. So regardless of whether the new smartphone models this year have the capability or not, the infrastructure and ecosystem will determine how quickly we enter this new digital era.
 

Nutrient

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That is nothing unusual. Many countries have similar laws. For example, the U.S.
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of 1994 (CALEA) describes itself as "An Act to amend title 18, United States Code, to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for Law Enforcement purposes, and for other purposes." (Emphasis added.)

So not only is China's National Intelligence law not unusual, we KNOW that U.S. telecoms equipment is insecure, because that is the law.

Even a cursory examination shows that your arguments against Huawei are mere fear mongering.

Oops, I botched the CALEA link. Here it is again:

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Hope it works.
 

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lol these guys come to trigger Chinese posters with off-topic statement then blame Chinese posters for going off topic when they respond. Nice.

Yes as usual no one is suppose to question or challenge anything they say. Another example of what they think is freedom of speech. Questioning or challenging them is violating their freedom of speech. That's what they're angry about. And of course it doesn't work the other way around. Let's judge Hitler by how he treated his fellow Nazis not other people.
 
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and to address Huawei, I believe President Trump is reaching out for a mutually beneficial trade deal, hopefully he will step in and bring a new peace and honor both sides, he does indeed like and respect President Xi, and together they will figure this out.... trust me....
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I am pleased to report that the U.S. has made substantial progress in our trade talks with China on important structural issues including intellectual property protection, technology transfer, agriculture, services, currency, and many other issues. As a result of these very......

....productive talks, I will be delaying the U.S. increase in tariffs now scheduled for March 1. Assuming both sides make additional progress, we will be planning a Summit for President Xi and myself, at Mar-a-Lago, to conclude an agreement. A very good weekend for U.S. & China!
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Brumby

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As usual from you, Brumby, lots of allegations and FUD, and absolutely no backing documentation.




In other words, 5G uses more distributed routing, like the Internet. Why are 5G conversations more of a threat than Internet connections?




Prove that Huawei is worse than Western companies.




Huawei countersued Motorola Solutions for intellectual property violations. In the end, both companies dropped their respective lawsuits. Why do you assert that Huawei was guilty and Motorola Solutions wasn't?




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. The "with prejudice" part means the court thought Cisco's claims were particularly worthless, and prevented Cisco from making similar legal accusations in the future.




So what major Western company does not do industrial espionage? And is occasionally convicted for it?

In fact, industrial espionage was what the United States specialized in doing. In 1791, Alexander Hamilton wrote “Report on Manufactures”, which called on Congress to reward people who brought technologies from abroad to America. And Congress did reward many people for the espionage.

We Were Pirates, Too
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The US complains that others steal its technology, but America was once a tech pirate itself
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So tell me, how is Huawei worse than Western companies?




That is nothing unusual. Many countries have similar laws. For example, the U.S.
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of 1994 (CALEA) describes itself as "An Act to amend title 18, United States Code, to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for Law Enforcement purposes, and for other purposes." (Emphasis added.)

So not only is China's National Intelligence law not unusual, we KNOW that U.S. telecoms equipment is insecure, because that is the law.

Even a cursory examination shows that your arguments against Huawei are mere fear mongering.

If after 4 rounds of back and forth I can't even get you to reply to a basic starting point, I don't want to waste my time on you. It will be just a merry go round and round and round that gets no where.
 

Brumby

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The case with Cisco and T mobile has been settle amicably and no harm was done Case close It is an old story that was bring back to life because the US justice need an argument to prosecute Huawei. There are hundred of patent argument between companies that were settle out of court But hey they need something to use as cudgel against Huawei
IP disputes are commercial in nature and so settlements are typically driven by commercial decisions. Have you read the 28 page January 16th 2019 indictment filed against Huawei? I have. We will see how Huawei get out of this one.

N one has proven conclusively that Huawei has a backdoor installed on their network Those African union incident is nothing but unproven allegation by a french engineer with ulterior motive to defame and smear Huawei . His allegation was why the led in the network blinking when there is no one in the room Well My cable modem and wifi are also blinking even I didn't use it
The Africa union subsequently formally launch investigation over the the allegation and no hacking was ever found They issue formal denial that Huawei or China ever attempted hacking the network case close!

In January 2018, France’s Le Monde newspaper published an
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, based on multiple sources, which found that from January 2012 to January 2017 servers based inside the AU’s headquarters in Addis Ababa were transferring data between 12 midnight and 2 am—every single night—to unknown servers more than 8,000 kilometres away hosted in Shanghai. Following the discovery of what media referred to as ‘data theft’, it was also
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that microphones hidden in desks and walls were detected and removed during a sweep for bugs.

You might attempt to discredit the report as some disgruntle French employee but other media outlets,
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, confirmed the data theft in reports published after the Le Monde investigation. The Le Monde report also said that since the discovery of the data theft, ‘the AU has acquired its own servers and declined China’s offer to configure them’. Other media reports
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that servers and equipment were replaced and that following the incident ‘other enhanced security features have also been installed’.

The denial are standard political spin.

But off course paranoid and racist Ozzie never let it go instead clinging on this straw men lie

There is a playbook that seems common these days. If all fail, claim racism.
 
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