I believe that the only other country that the US has transfered tomahawk cruise missiles/tech to is Great Britain.
Is it possible for China to stockpile the largest amount of nuke warheads?
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I believe that the only other country that the US has transfered tomahawk cruise missiles/tech to is Great Britain.
Pointblank
Senior Member
And the Spanish... they will get Tomahawk's for their Álvaro de Bazán Class Frigates and for their S-80 class submarines.
Violet Oboe
Junior Member
@Pointblank:
At least the Russian army (with some help of Kadyrov's death squads though!) has reduced the once mighty Chechen insurgency to a bunch of disintegrated and increasingly desperate small groups more and more turning from organized resistance to what Chechen's really have done best for centuries. (...I will leave it to your imagination what kind of activities this would actually be!)
Moreover Saakashvili's ´elite troops´ meticulously trained and armed by Israeli and US experts got a nice scrubbing within hours by Russia's intervention forces last year. Correspondingly the performance of Russia's conventional forces during the last 7-8 years appears to have improved quite considerably and especially the US Army/Marines would have to be very careful with condescending criticism regarding their troops decidedly less than stellar performance during Iraq's and Afghanistan's insurgency wars.
At least the Russian army (with some help of Kadyrov's death squads though!) has reduced the once mighty Chechen insurgency to a bunch of disintegrated and increasingly desperate small groups more and more turning from organized resistance to what Chechen's really have done best for centuries. (...I will leave it to your imagination what kind of activities this would actually be!)
Moreover Saakashvili's ´elite troops´ meticulously trained and armed by Israeli and US experts got a nice scrubbing within hours by Russia's intervention forces last year. Correspondingly the performance of Russia's conventional forces during the last 7-8 years appears to have improved quite considerably and especially the US Army/Marines would have to be very careful with condescending criticism regarding their troops decidedly less than stellar performance during Iraq's and Afghanistan's insurgency wars.
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Violet Oboe
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@dusky lim:
Convincing arguments; I would agree that a force of around 800-1000 warheads is sufficient for China's strategic needs. After 2020 though PLA could probably be forced to acquire strategic parity in a strategic parallelogram with the US, Russia and India.
@bdpopeye:
The details of the ´Aegis´ technology transfer to Japan are quite murky since the Pentagon and defense industry did not want to awake sleeping dogs in Congress back in the early 90's. Officially only limited but significant parts were transferred to Japan but somehow the Japanese must have created (with some generous but secret assistance by the USN...?) a functioning work around for this.
Kaijo fanatics in Japan are quite boastful about their mighty ´Japanese improved Aegis system´ (installed on at least 6 Kongo/imp. Kongo-class ´destroyers´ (effectively cruisers of 10500t displacement)) mentioning an acquisition and tracking capability of 1024 different targets. Of course those geeks maintain that the japanese Aegis is superior to the current USN Aegis (I don't know whether they refer to the 7th or 8th generation) and many USN officers would actually envy their counterparts in JMSDF working with this system. What do you think about that bdpopeye, are they nuts??
Convincing arguments; I would agree that a force of around 800-1000 warheads is sufficient for China's strategic needs. After 2020 though PLA could probably be forced to acquire strategic parity in a strategic parallelogram with the US, Russia and India.
@bdpopeye:
The details of the ´Aegis´ technology transfer to Japan are quite murky since the Pentagon and defense industry did not want to awake sleeping dogs in Congress back in the early 90's. Officially only limited but significant parts were transferred to Japan but somehow the Japanese must have created (with some generous but secret assistance by the USN...?) a functioning work around for this.
Kaijo fanatics in Japan are quite boastful about their mighty ´Japanese improved Aegis system´ (installed on at least 6 Kongo/imp. Kongo-class ´destroyers´ (effectively cruisers of 10500t displacement)) mentioning an acquisition and tracking capability of 1024 different targets. Of course those geeks maintain that the japanese Aegis is superior to the current USN Aegis (I don't know whether they refer to the 7th or 8th generation) and many USN officers would actually envy their counterparts in JMSDF working with this system. What do you think about that bdpopeye, are they nuts??
Actually, I am writing this thread is certain audience. One of them is richard fisher jr, of the strategy page. I know the dude comes here often to fish for information. hey, richard, I know you are outthere and if You come to this part. I am shouting out big fat hellooo to you.. :rofl:
Every body knows richard is one of most NeoCon person outthere constantly think of things try to contain and box in China. And yes, he's franatically try to drum up support for more F-22 specifically to counter China. He franatically try to drum up support in US to sanction on dual use materials to China. Constantly urging US to make potential allies that could play the China containment game. Yes, He's numero Uno in China Paranoid. Yes, he's speaking to influential folks in Capitol hill, washington.
Well, Here I suggest China instead of concentrate on conventional arm build up, it should upend his assumption and go for more nuke build up. Not longer playing his little game..
This thread is dedicated for folks like richard fisher Jr. so, he can write more CHina will have the most nuke heads stuffs in the editorials.
Every body knows richard is one of most NeoCon person outthere constantly think of things try to contain and box in China. And yes, he's franatically try to drum up support for more F-22 specifically to counter China. He franatically try to drum up support in US to sanction on dual use materials to China. Constantly urging US to make potential allies that could play the China containment game. Yes, He's numero Uno in China Paranoid. Yes, he's speaking to influential folks in Capitol hill, washington.
Well, Here I suggest China instead of concentrate on conventional arm build up, it should upend his assumption and go for more nuke build up. Not longer playing his little game..
This thread is dedicated for folks like richard fisher Jr. so, he can write more CHina will have the most nuke heads stuffs in the editorials.
Strategy Centre does seem to have lots of articles about containing China and basically making life hard for the PRC.
China obviously does need a more credible nuclear deterrent and we see this with the DF-31A, JL-2...
But I think an answer to your fears of China being boxed in and challenged should be diplomatic. Make friends with the countries instead of scaring the heck out of them with thousands of nukes.
If any extra military equipment is acquired by China without having relatively good relations with the potential enemies you pointed out in the first post then those countries and people like richard fisher would keep harping on about the china threat. Not a good look internationally.
Making more nukes may provoke America to build up it's missile defence more quickly to maintain its huge margin of domination which it has with China which they seem unable to give up (which is fair enough), it will drag China into a type of arms race, which no one wants.
Just let China take the current international situation like it is and within a century, if the world still exists we might see the tables turned a bit...
China obviously does need a more credible nuclear deterrent and we see this with the DF-31A, JL-2...
But I think an answer to your fears of China being boxed in and challenged should be diplomatic. Make friends with the countries instead of scaring the heck out of them with thousands of nukes.
If any extra military equipment is acquired by China without having relatively good relations with the potential enemies you pointed out in the first post then those countries and people like richard fisher would keep harping on about the china threat. Not a good look internationally.
Making more nukes may provoke America to build up it's missile defence more quickly to maintain its huge margin of domination which it has with China which they seem unable to give up (which is fair enough), it will drag China into a type of arms race, which no one wants.
Just let China take the current international situation like it is and within a century, if the world still exists we might see the tables turned a bit...
Strategy Centre does seem to have lots of articles about containing China and basically making life hard for the PRC.
China obviously does need a more credible nuclear deterrent and we see this with the DF-31A, JL-2...
But I think an answer to your fears of China being boxed in and challenged should be diplomatic. Make friends with the countries instead of scaring the heck out of them with thousands of nukes.
If any extra military equipment is acquired by China without having relatively good relations with the potential enemies you pointed out in the first post then those countries and people like richard fisher would keep harping on about the china threat. Not a good look internationally.
Making more nukes may provoke America to build up it's missile defence more quickly to maintain its huge margin of domination which it has with China which they seem unable to give up (which is fair enough), it will drag China into a type of arms race, which no one wants.
Just let China take the current international situation like it is and within a century, if the world still exists we might see the tables turned a bit...
On the flip, in my POV, if country has above 5000 nuke warheads then it would reach saturation point. Any more arm race and build up would be dimishing return and become insignificant, pale in comparison.
My POV is using the nuke buildup and once it reach above the saturation point then it would prevent further arm race.
Mr T
Senior Member
Why does China need more nuclear warheads than Russia - what does that achieve?
Russia isn't going to get into a fight with China just because it can obliterate it, whilst China could only horribly cripple it in return. If you have an accurate delivery system arguably you wouldn't need more than a few dozen nuclear warheads to deter nuclear attack from any country.
Psychological factor for foreign lawmakers.
Like to add one more, such big quantity will become mission impossible to take out through preemptive strikes. So don't think about preemptive strike any more.
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BTw, japan got bullied around by Russia on Kuril islands which it believe should belong to Japan and it doesn't dare to say much.
on the contrary, Japan is acting like a mad man on east china sea on daiyutai or senkaku island.
Obviously, Japan doesn't respect PLA's nuke numbers.
So, PLA better to have more numbers so people can respect it better.
on the contrary, Japan is acting like a mad man on east china sea on daiyutai or senkaku island.
Obviously, Japan doesn't respect PLA's nuke numbers.
So, PLA better to have more numbers so people can respect it better.