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burritocannon

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US can cripple their economy, and Ayatollahs aren't super popular in the first place. Iran already dropped massively in economic terms(and unlike DPRK, they had abd have a lot to lose).
If Iran will get nukes - Arab states from the other side of the gulf will as well, so benefit will also be spoiled.
can you explain a bit more in depth about what they have to lose in comparison to the dprk?
im not sure neighboring nukes is really an issue -- india vs pakistan is the big outstanding example. and why would iran be so worried about saudi nukes when israeli nukes represent the clear and present strategic asymmetry?
 
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Gloire_bb

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can you explain a bit more in depth about what they have to lose in comparison to the dprk?
im not sure neighboring nukes is really an issue -- india vs pakistan is the big outstanding example. and why would iran be so worried about saudi nukes when israeli nukes represent a strategic asymmetry already in existence?
Economy. Iran was doing reasonably ok before sanctions.
It is not doing ok ever since - compare it's economy, say, to Turkiye. Collapse it - and heads will fly. Heads of it's leadership.
In Iran, high profile treasons are almost monthly occurance - shall the people of Iran decide that it's enough, replacement for current power structure will come naturally.
And US can very easily make this happen. In a way, Iranian leadership is less concerned about military threat than this.

in DPRK whole elites understand very well,that should the Kim family collapse, none of them will keep neither their status, nor their wealth, and quite probably not even their lives.
Still, we should remember that even in DPRK 2017 Trump sanctions effectively collapsed their attempt at China -inspired reforms (2012-2017).
Iran is far, far more vulnerable. My gut feeling is that they will go for nuclear weapons only if they will be under a determined US attempt to military collapse Iran.
 
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mack8

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It is possible that upper leadership is completely infiltrated by cucks at this point.
That's what it looks like, i haven't looked at this closely but apparently a lot of the mullahs and their cronies have interests in the west, be it relatives there, or money, properties etc. So personal gains/interests trump national security, or more accurate in this case national survival.

One can look at DPRK's defence achievements to extrapolate the potential of the much larger, richer and resource abundant Iran. They do have some highly competent defence systems to date, good drones and UAVs, good SAMs, good shorter range BMs and various CMs etc., but they are utterly neglecting the IRIAF, and of course they meekly don't touch ICBMs let alone nukes, not to mention some cringeworthy examples of incompetence/ignorance/corruption (like that Qaher thing or the twin tailed F-5s).

But the most they lack is a goddamn spine. I fear for Iran to be honest, the west likes to gang up on the weak, and the way they metaphorically slapped, kicked and spat Iran (numerous assassinations, sabotage etc.) in the face in the last years with only a weak reaction (i'm not sure even a single US or israeli soldier was killed in any of the much hyped iranian "retaliations") does not bode well.

Also, again compared to DPRK, you can see DPRK's enthusiastic support for Russia and active participation in the war in the Ukraine (so basically, a big middle finger to the west, apart from the whole DPRK nukes thing), while Iran, apart from giving the admittedly highly useful Gerans and possibly some short range BMs, little else seems to transpire. They should have sent not only a crapload of SRBMs, cruise missiles and other useful systems like their anti-drone SAMs, but also a contingent of troops, as a gesture if nothing else. But instead they cave in to western demands and i think they were mumbling something about "Ukraine territorial integrity". No wonder the russians are not giving them the Su-35s (the russians DO have their own issues as well in dealing with the west/zionists, but that's another discussion).
 
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burritocannon

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Economy. Iran was doing reasonably ok before sanctions.
It is not doing ok ever since - compare it's economy, say, to Turkiye. Collapse it - and heads will fly. Heads of it's leadership.
In Iran, high profile treasons are almost monthly occurance - shall the people of Iran decide that it's enough, replacement for current power structure will come naturally.
And US can very easily make this happen. In a way, Iranian leadership is less concerned about military threat than this.

in DPRK whole elites understand very well,that should the Kim family collapse, none of them will keep neither their status, nor their wealth, and quite probably not even their lives.
Still, we should remember that even in DPRK 2017 Trump sanctions effectively collapsed their attempt at China -inspired reforms (2012-2017).
Iran is far, far more vulnerable. My gut feeling is that they will go for nuclear weapons only if they will be under a determined US attempt to military collapse Iran.
why are defections prevalent? is it because of the poor economy? at least in my belief, most people dont really care as much about ideology as they like to say they do -- what they care about is whether it continues to maintain, if not improve their quality of life. so my question is, do you think the nuclear weapon would not work as a hedge against destabilization efforts?
are iranian problems more deep and architectural to the nation? theoretically, iran should have much cultural capital to work with. has iran failed to construct a functional national identity? iranians have suffered injustice in the hands of the west with examples such as the violation of their neutrality during the anglo soviet invasion of 1942, and the subsequent reduction to puppet state status. has that not been leveraged correctly to forge national resolve? is there a failure coupling islam to act as a cultural hedge to act in concert and not in conflict with the national-cultural apparatus?

My gut feeling is that they will go for nuclear weapons only if they will be under a determined US attempt to military collapse Iran.
this would be fatal though, there will be no time for iran to develop a nuclear weapon and its attendant delivery mechanisms by the time military action is taken.
 
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Minm

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Skill issues (getting their scientists killed).
What you need to understand is that Israel may conduct a nuclear first strike and the US is likely to attack if Iran decides to build a bomb or does a nuclear test without having a full deterrent ready. It's a much more dangerous environment than North Korea, which had little to fear militarily. So the nuclear program for Iran is partially for deterrence and partially for having something to trade during negotiations.

The strategy actually worked when they got the deal with Obama and may work again with trump. Being a nuclear threshold state like Japan or Korea is good enough if you have decent relations with potential enemies. The hope is with the removal of primary sanctions and the return of American corporations to Iran, there'll be an American lobby against war. And then even China might be willing to invest again
 

Gloire_bb

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why are defections prevalent? is it because of the poor economy? at least in my belief, most people dont really care as much about ideology as they like to say they do -- what they care about is whether it continues to maintain, if not improve their quality of life. so my question is, do you think the nuclear weapon would not work as a hedge against destabilization efforts?
Well, part of the reason is that 1979 was not unlike the 1917 revolution - current government isn't representative of majority of forces that made the revolution happen, they were the most radical and determined group, representing the most staunch supporters.
Iranian population doesn't involve itself with the government it's under - you can see it simply through lack of political involvement, and ease with which protests explode.

Nuclear weapons can't hedge against that, if anything they'll force sanctions on a scale which is very likely to tip the internal balance. Not necessarily so (no sane population in the world likes being sanctioned and dehumanized), but this is a bet. There are people very high up who can and will (potentially) step in to replace the current power structure, theit status in society will increase, and this is a lot of potential beneficiaries.
Moreover, quite a significant minority may believe that freedoom(c) will make them happy first worlders just like Ukrainians.

Cultural identity here is a double edged sword, and not necessarily a protection - for sure Soviet Union had a lot of cultural identity and pride in 1991. If anything, cultural identity and pride gives people hope that shall Iran get out of its endless value fight with the west, it can raise up. Unlike DPRK(again), there is no effective informational blockade, internet is here, examples of oily prosperous paradises are right on the other side of the gulf.
But if there is a known path to prosperity in modern world - it's access to western markets. Arguably, the only one.
this would be fatal though, there will be no time for iran to develop a nuclear weapon and its attendant delivery mechanisms by the time military action is taken.
They may not agree.
US and EU(and entire arab coalition before them) has effectively failed to collapse Yemeni ability to attack Israel and the shipping, despite this capability being reeliant on components smuggling through hostile nations and waters. Northertn Yemen, one of the poorest nations on Earth after many decades of civil war and intervention, is simply incomaparable to Iran.
Iran is many times larger, many times more populous; it could (and for decades did) undertake hardening projects on a scale Houthi government can't hope to match. After decades of work, they not just have an incredible and increasingly advanced missile and assymetric arsenal, they've just recently managed to emerge as one of the most interesting AD(!) producers in the world. Releasing systems is not yet deploying them at scale, sure, but Ayatollahs can look with optimism into the future. Their relative vulnerability gap is decreasing, not increasing.

As a result, Iranian retaliatory capability within region simply can't be denied. They're probably the most thrersholdest threshold nuclear nation in the world (i.e. within weeks to assemble first low-powered nukes). Not tsar-bombas, sure, but more than enough to devastate Israel. We sometimes tend to forget how goddamn mighty even "small" 5-10kt nukes are.
Ensuring that intended warhead (of the simplest and dumbest design) design will fit a certain size, and having suitable missiles isn't that much of planning ahead.

As a result, they may reasonably consider they achieved minimal nuclear deterrent; this they won't give up, but can consider giving up ability to multiply it.
What they need is a breath of economic air. This is a reasonable trade opportunity.
 
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Minm

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Well, part of the reason is that 1979 was not unlike the 1917 revolution - current government isn't representative of majority of forces that made the revolution happen, they were the most radical and determined group, representing the most staunch supporters.
Iranian population doesn't involve itself with the government it's under - you can see it simply through lack of political involvement, and ease with which protests explode.
It's more that people remember that Iran was on a much better trajectory under the previous government and recognise that the revolution was a mistake. Iran went from the most advanced economy in the region to being overtaken by their tribal neighbours. But reversing the revolution and getting a new type of monarchy isn't a solution either.

The root cause of discontent is economic. The economy has too much human capital without sufficient high skill jobs but not enough access to technology and it's starved of access to capital. So a deal with the west could change everything overnight, if western powers don't break the agreements again.
 
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