Iran calls for security co-operation with pakistan

maglomanic said:

Actually we are already hearing AQ Khan issue being brought to surface in Congress to start some trouble. Changing wind is just around the corner. As soon as Mr Bush is out and a new democrat president is in we will see another sanctions regime, and this time Pakistan will be out of US's influence forever IMO. As regard to Iran-Pak pipeline (with potential of India joining in), i only see it moving forward in a couple of years time. Lets face it all three countries only benefit from it.

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Well the Americans have now convinced the Indians to back the Turkmenistan-Pakistan-India pipeline and the Indians seem to have rapidly dumped their 'honeymoon' relationship with Iran presumably that's why Iran
has now supported Gwadar.

I can't really see the Turkmenistan pipeline being a realistic possibilty because

1. The situation in Afghanistan is destabalizing by the day. It seems to be a lot worse than the media are showing

A leading opposition member of parliament says the Swedish military is withholding information about attacks on Swedish soldiers in Afghanistan.

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2. It seems that Indian and American policy makers forget that it's up to the
Pakistani government where it gets it's energy. At the moment Iran is offering
a fantastic package.

3. Turkmenistan is ruled by a stalinist cult leader who's support has never been put to the test. How long can he survive ? Can Pakistan risk being associated with him when he's deposed ? Will any deal survive his downfall ?
Why on earth would Pakistan invest billions in a high risk project when Iran is a safer option ?

4. Why would Pakistan wreck it's relations with a neighbouring country for the sake of a country that will impose sanctions anyway ?

PakTopGun ok i'll send you a PM with the link

ok.. thanks.. will be interesting to read that link.

I also think that the logical course of action for Pakistan would be to form a non 'threatening' economic relationship with Iran at this time. On one hand u have a surplus energy producer(Iran) and on the other an energy deficient nation which is forecasted to suffer serious energy shortages in the next decade(Pakistan). If Pakistan wants to maintain upward economic mobility then it must take certain decisions in the national and regional interest to secure for itself basic resources even if it hurts its relations temporarily with its ally(US). If its a worry about aid cut-off, Pakistan spends a lot of money on importing energy related products(petroleum, petroleum related items= >4 Billion dollars) many times more than the aid it receives. Priority will be the teeming masses of Pakistan, and they want ENERGY!

PakTopGun said:

ok.. thanks.. will be interesting to read that link.

I also think that the logical course of action for Pakistan would be to form a non 'threatening' economic relationship with Iran at this time. On one hand u have a surplus energy producer(Iran) and on the other an energy deficient nation which is forecasted to suffer serious energy shortages in the next decade(Pakistan). If Pakistan wants to maintain upward economic mobility then it must take certain decisions in the national and regional interest to secure for itself basic resources even if it hurts its relations temporarily with its ally(US). If its a worry about aid cut-off, Pakistan spends a lot of money on importing energy related products(petroleum, petroleum related items= >4 Billion dollars) many times more than the aid it receives. Priority will be the teeming masses of Pakistan, and they want ENERGY!

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Hmm the Gwadar thing has certainly caused ripples, Dubai wants to invest $10 billion with a proposal to raise that to $30 billion to build up the infrastructure, Iran is falling over itself to offer energy, china wants it's military there and the latest news is

Walker's World: Pakistan poised to become Asian tiger
By Martin Walker
UPI Editor Emeritus
Published June 5, 2006

WASHINGTON -- War is not often seen as a source of economic growth, but Pakistan seems likely to emerge as one of the main beneficiaries of the Bush administration's War on Terror. As a front-line state and major base for the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan, Pakistan has enjoyed U.S. financial support that has paved the way for new private investment and is turning the country's period of military rule into an economic success story.

The publication Monday of the Pakistan government's budget demonstrates this dramatic change in the country's financial fortunes, with surging growth and new investment plans that suggest the world's second most populous Islamic nation is poised to join China and India as one of Asia's new "tiger" economies.

The Persian Gulf sheikhdom of Dubai is to invest an initial $10 billion in Pakistan's boom, mainly in property, port and transport development, a sum that may triple to $30 billion if current negotiations succeed.

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It's interesting that war can be so profitable for investment, infrastructure, technology innovation (i read that cannon production fueled the industrial revolution) does anybody know of any good books on this subject and the exact process for japan during the korean war ?

FreeAsia2000 said:

Hmm the Gwadar thing has certainly caused ripples, Dubai wants to invest $10 billion with a proposal to raise that to $30 billion to build up the infrastructure, Iran is falling over itself to offer energy, china wants it's military there and the latest news is

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It's interesting that war can be so profitable for investment, infrastructure, technology innovation (i read that cannon production fueled the industrial revolution) does anybody know of any good books on this subject and the exact process for japan during the korean war ?

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sorry dont know of any good book, but like the article states, the Korean war did wonders (economically speaking) for South Korea/Japan. The Vietnam war helped the economies of Malaysia/Singapore. Plus, with Nato now heavily involved in Afghanistan, major logistics for them will have to come through Pakistan so Pakistans support will be essentiel for the long run, especially if Nato/US want the operation to be a success.

Don't forget that it was WWII that pulled the US out of the Great Depression. WWII basically gave jobs to nearly everybody here in the States and also promoted mass industrialization.

crazyinsane105 said:

Don't forget that it was WWII that pulled the US out of the Great Depression. WWII basically gave jobs to nearly everybody here in the States and also promoted mass industrialization.

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yes i forgot that one. very good point. After the great depression, world war II was BOOM time for Americans especially during the first few years when they were supplying arms to many countries(often on credit) and not personnally involved in the war. In many ways (minus geography, resources, friendly borders, population etc..) World war II was what really kicked off the US into the world power that it is today. Afterwards, while Europe and other countries where rebuilding, and recovering from extensive war and shattered economies, the US just had to sit back and relax. Hand pick where it wanted to get involved, and reaped considerable benefit. Pakistans geo-strategic location and importance shows that it will always be near some future conflict (or possible itself involved in conflict with neighbooring India if the peace process fails). nowadays its economy is doing well, but shy of a decade ago, it was nearing a situation similar to the Argentinan crisis, so it will be interesting to see which way it goes.