Iran calls for security co-operation with pakistan

maglomanic said:

The article is merely talking about security co-operation. It doesnt necessarily mean weapon transfer and as such. Both countries share borders have problems with smugglers and law order trouble makers.

There are other countries which offer much more than Pakistan can offer in terms of arms to Iran. Namely China and Russia.Us can't stop those at all.

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Well since security cooperation is pretty wide term they could have been talking about anything…
As for smuggling problems I think that US wouldn’t have any objections to Iran/Pakistan cooperating to solve that problem…

As you can see above I was joust stating my doubts about possible Pak/Iran military industry cooperation and not about possible Iranian weapon suppliers… We all know that Iran can/will buy weapons from Russia/China but that’s not subject of this topic…

isthvan said:

Well since security cooperation is pretty wide term they could have been talking about anything…
As for smuggling problems I think that US wouldn’t have any objections to Iran/Pakistan cooperating to solve that problem…

As you can see above I was joust stating my doubts about possible Pak/Iran military industry cooperation and not about possible Iranian weapon suppliers… We all know that Iran can/will buy weapons from Russia/China but that’s not subject of this topic…

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I undersatnd your point but all i am syaing is, there isn't much that Pakistan can offer in terms of weapons. What they can offer to Iran is available from others in better terms.

maglomanic said:

I undersatnd your point but all i am syaing is, there isn't much that Pakistan can offer in terms of weapons. What they can offer to Iran is available from others in better terms.

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In current political scenario anything to do with Iran will go against US. i think thats why proposed gas pipeline is still in cold.

Also visit of three Iranian delegations in five days says it has lot more then just security co-operation. may be its looking for allies for hard times.

Sid

Siddharth said:

In current political scenario anything to do with Iran will go against US. i think thats why proposed gas pipeline is still in cold.

Also visit of three Iranian delegations in five days says it has lot more then just security co-operation. may be its looking for allies for hard times.

Sid

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Even Chinese are saying they won't veto sanctions. I doubt if Pakistan will get into hot waters for Iranians. Interms of strategic alignment and material, Pakistan even if it wishes to (that i sincerely doubt) will not endanger it's own security to help Iranians. Also, the scope is limited indeed given Pakistan's own limitations.

In regards to security relations, I can imagine Pakistan supplying civilian security systems and stuff; but nothing in the scale of big ticket defence items. Fighter planes, ships, missiles, etc...that is something I bet Pakistan does not want to give Iran (possible access to India) and something the U.S will slam hard on Pakistan.

In light of the current geo-political environment, the prudent approach would be a collective involvement.

Look at it from a strategic point of analysis. Where United States is vying for a a presence in the Central Asian region. The possibility of Pakistan joining in a 'security cooperation' alone, would be a mistake. Rather, if Pakistan would invite the presence of China, in a bid for a joint security cooperation. It would spell out a significant strategic move in the region.

Realistically, the need to curb all destabilising factors in the region, such as terrorism, currently developing states (Afghanistan & Central Asia) and the US military presence. It would be beneficial to all parties involved, to cooperate among themselves. This would not only leave the region stable, but also would render the US military presence, redundant.

DPRKUnderground said:

I'm pissed off at Pakistan now! That's all I have to say politically. But this is mainly about Balochistan. Iran has been pounding Balochistan for the past few days.

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Could you be a bit more specific and provide some proof to such a claim?

Dizasta said:

Realistically, the need to curb all destabilising factors in the region, such as terrorism, currently developing states (Afghanistan & Central Asia) and the US military presence. It would be beneficial to all parties involved, to cooperate among themselves. This would not only leave the region stable, but also would render the US military presence, redundant.

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I dont understand how Americans are a destabilising factors in South Asian region.

And Afganistan is the only place where they are doing something good. If they leave Afganistan/ Pakistan then there will be a power vaccume that other powers will have to fill. means more struggle.

they are threat to only those powers which have strategic interest in the region.

Its only a fairy tail where all countries will be equal and every one have a say. If its not America then there will be other country. One way or other there will be one power that will dominate others.

Siddharth said:

I dont understand how Americans are a destabilising factors in South Asian region.

And Afganistan is the only place where they are doing something good. If they leave Afganistan/ Pakistan then there will be a power vaccume that other powers will have to fill. means more struggle.

they are threat to only those powers which have strategic interest in the region.

Its only a fairy tail where all countries will be equal and every one have a say. If its not America then there will be other country. One way or other there will be one power that will dominate others.

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Umm.....right now the drug trade in Afghanistan is simply booming. The Taliban, however bad they were, did try to control the drug trade with some success. Above that, the local government is hated by much of the population and the recent Taliban offensives simply prove that the Afghanis are getting more and more impatient with the current situation.

It is always in the best interest of the US to see Pakistan and India as enemies. Why? Just imagine if both countries simply stopped hating each other and just decided to work for the common good of the people. Imagine how powerful that alliance can be. That's something the US simply doesn't want to see.

I dont understand how Americans are a destabilising factors in South Asian region.

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There is no point in answering to such a question. If someone really cared to read my post carefully enough, there was no mention of 'south asia' in it. Rather, the reference was made to the region adjacent to south asia. If there is a lack of knowledge to what countries occupy this region, then i guess its only polite to answer this question.

Central Asia: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgistan and Afghanistan.

The countries that should work hand in hand to provide economic stability to Central Asia are China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran.

As for United States being a destabilizing factor, well i guess current events are not followed regularly on this forum. Cuz if this weren't the fact, then there would be a general awareness of the recent political power play in one of the Central Asian States which saw the government being replaced.

United States wants its presence in Central Asia, which is the main reason why there are current negotiations with other Central Asian States, to provide bases for USAF. Last time, they were asked to leave.

Central Asia, there is a need for the development and progress to render a sustained growth for all countries such as China, Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. If one notices, these countries form around the Central Asian region. Which is why it is imperative that they work closely to ensure the true economic growth of the region at large.

Iran and Pakistan's security cooperation word is coined to by the media to show that pakistan is not dependent on US, when considering its policies. A simple message to US, which is not being hyped in western media as its happening in asia.

crazyinsane105 said:

Umm.....right now the drug trade in Afghanistan is simply booming. The Taliban, however bad they were, did try to control the drug trade with some success. Above that, the local government is hated by much of the population and the recent Taliban offensives simply prove that the Afghanis are getting more and more impatient with the current situation.

It is always in the best interest of the US to see Pakistan and India as enemies. Why? Just imagine if both countries simply stopped hating each other and just decided to work for the common good of the people. Imagine how powerful that alliance can be. That's something the US simply doesn't want to see.

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I didnt meant US as gurdian angel here, but refering to truth. Before them it was soviets, then british and before someone else. No country can say "treat me as equal" to a major power until its up to the same level.

And as for India and Pakistan, divide and rule formula still works fine. They just drop in a new weapon system every time peace process is on height and every thing comes tumbling down for India and Pakistan.