Iran calls for security co-operation with pakistan

Dizasta said:

Could you be a bit more specific and provide some proof to such a claim?

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Heavy bombardment of civilian in Balochistan by Taazi Military


17-05-2006

By : Nasser Boladai

Since Monday 15th of May 2006 the Islamic Republic has launched a massive military operation against Baloch people in Bam and Nusrat Abaad Zahedan (Dozaap) areas of Northern Balochistan. The Iranian Army using helicopter gun ships and air strikes to bomb villages in mountain areas.

According to the news media reports and Baloch sources more than 18 people have died and some have been injured, majority of them are shepherds and farmers in remote areas. The operation is still going on. Besides these innocent Baloch killings, the Iranian secret agencies have also either kidnapped or detained hundreds of Baloch people.

The current army operation is triggered by the murder of 12 people near the Kerman-Bam highway by unidentified elements. The Iranian regime accused a Baloch militant group Jundallah, although this group has denied involvement and condemned it.

The Iranian clerical regime exploiting this incident and taking revenge on the oppressed Baloch people as it has done before.

For more than half a century political oppression, economical and social injustice against Baloch people has been institutionalized in Iran. Baloch in Iran are continuously being harassed and suffering from this clerical regime, where regime's brutal operations have always aimed to punish Baloch people collectively.

Balochistan People's Party believes that the killing, extrajudicial detention, torture and kidnapping of Baloch people in Iran, are grave human rights violations and ask the world community to pressure the Iranian regime, his military and secret agencies to stop the current army operation against the Baloch people



That's it for politics, but i just wanted to let Dozasta know what was going on! Anyway, I see no obvious reason for this happening. Is it for maritime security? Or does Iran just want to "help" it's economy?

I dont think the US will mind conventional sales to Iran from Pakistan... the only bone of contention is in the sale of Missiles or Nuclear related materials. Russians and Chinese have been selling to Iran for decades now and the US has not voiced any real concern unless they involved advanced missile systems. Pakistan has much to offer Iran in the form of munitions, supplies/spare parts/servicing of its helicopter fleet(Cobra and Hueys), Tanks and now possibly even the new F-17 which it is jointly producing with China. Such sales would greatly boost exports for Pakistan and help its economy in the long term when one considers that the spare parts and other associated equipment would have to come from Pakistan. Also, Iran is a neighboor of Pakistan sharing religious, cultural, social and ethnic ties to Pakistan. Pakistan is enegy starved and Iran is loaded with reserves... It would be highly impractical and ill conceived that the United States would object to normalization of relations between two neighbooring countries bearing in mind these facts. Pakistan would benefit considerably from such a deal and I believe would push ahead with it regardless of American objections as it would be the logical step for the two countries.. The Americans need Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs the US to fulfill its objectives in Afghanistan and the war on terror. Closer relations between Iran and Pakistan in all spheres will be the natural norm now that the rivalry over Afghanistan is over..

PakTopGun said:

I dont think the US will mind conventional sales to Iran from Pakistan... the only bone of contention is in the sale of Missiles or Nuclear related materials. Russians and Chinese have been selling to Iran for decades now and the US has not voiced any real concern unless they involved advanced missile systems. Pakistan has much to offer Iran in the form of munitions, supplies/spare parts/servicing of its helicopter fleet(Cobra and Hueys), Tanks and now possibly even the new F-17 which it is jointly producing with China. Such sales would greatly boost exports for Pakistan and help its economy in the long term when one considers that the spare parts and other associated equipment would have to come from Pakistan. Also, Iran is a neighboor of Pakistan sharing religious, cultural, social and ethnic ties to Pakistan. Pakistan is enegy starved and Iran is loaded with reserves... It would be highly impractical and ill conceived that the United States would object to normalization of relations between two neighbooring countries bearing in mind these facts. Pakistan would benefit considerably from such a deal and I believe would push ahead with it regardless of American objections as it would be the logical step for the two countries.. The Americans need Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs the US to fulfill its objectives in Afghanistan and the war on terror. Closer relations between Iran and Pakistan in all spheres will be the natural norm now that the rivalry over Afghanistan is over..

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I agree.

Also let me point out that during the Shah of Iran's period when Iran MOST CERTAINLY did not want anything from Pakistan which it couldn't buy or get virtually free from America it was the Shah of Iran who suggested joint Pak-Iranian co-operation on a tank project.

PakTopGun if you like I can post you an article about America's objectives in Central Asia and the SCO.

It's ironic that Iran now actually opposes the Tajik-Uzbek militia's

PakTopGun said:

I dont think the US will mind conventional sales to Iran from Pakistan... the only bone of contention is in the sale of Missiles or Nuclear related materials. Russians and Chinese have been selling to Iran for decades now and the US has not voiced any real concern unless they involved advanced missile systems. Pakistan has much to offer Iran in the form of munitions, supplies/spare parts/servicing of its helicopter fleet(Cobra and Hueys), Tanks and now possibly even the new F-17 which it is jointly producing with China. Such sales would greatly boost exports for Pakistan and help its economy in the long term when one considers that the spare parts and other associated equipment would have to come from Pakistan. Also, Iran is a neighboor of Pakistan sharing religious, cultural, social and ethnic ties to Pakistan. Pakistan is enegy starved and Iran is loaded with reserves... It would be highly impractical and ill conceived that the United States would object to normalization of relations between two neighbooring countries bearing in mind these facts. Pakistan would benefit considerably from such a deal and I believe would push ahead with it regardless of American objections as it would be the logical step for the two countries.. The Americans need Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs the US to fulfill its objectives in Afghanistan and the war on terror. Closer relations between Iran and Pakistan in all spheres will be the natural norm now that the rivalry over Afghanistan is over..

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IIRC Austria recently sold 12.7mm anti-material rifles to Iran and US automatically sanctioned Steyr-Mannlicher which is now unable to sell goods inside the United States…
So I think that US will mind conventional sales to Iran. They got mad over few sniper rifles, what do you think they will do if you sell tanks?

Naturally you can sell what ever you won’t to Iran but don’t piss on US when they stop weapon and spare parts deliveries…

As I said in earlier post I don’t think that US would object to stronger economic and border security ties between Iran and Pakistan but they will object any weapon delivery to Iran…
They joust don’t like when there allies sell weapon systems to there’s enemies…

isthvan said:

IIRC Austria recently sold 12.7mm anti-material rifles to Iran and US automatically sanctioned Steyr-Mannlicher which is now unable to sell goods inside the United States…
So I think that US will mind conventional sales to Iran. They got mad over few sniper rifles, what do you think they will do if you sell tanks?

Naturally you can sell what ever you won’t to Iran but don’t piss on US when they stop weapon and spare parts deliveries…

As I said in earlier post I don’t think that US would object to stronger economic and border security ties between Iran and Pakistan but they will object any weapon delivery to Iran…
They joust don’t like when there allies sell weapon systems to there’s enemies…

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That's only ONE company it's not the Austrian government.

The US government prefers to keep Pakistan permanently sanctioned
except when it needs Pakistan's help. At the moment it needs Pakistan's
help therefore it's not going to sanction Pakistan otherwise the Iran, Pakistan
pipeline would have been enough excuse.

The Pakistani government on the other hand has decided that promises of
substantard equipment from an unreliable supplier (nobody in Pakistan
considers the US an ally) is not suffient to dissuade it from developing
stronger links with a potential regional superpower and counter-weight to
other powers in the region.

FreeAsia2000 said:

That's only ONE company it's not the Austrian government.

The US government prefers to keep Pakistan permanently sanctioned
except when it needs Pakistan's help. At the moment it needs Pakistan's
help therefore it's not going to sanction Pakistan otherwise the Iran, Pakistan
pipeline would have been enough excuse.

The Pakistani government on the other hand has decided that promises of
substantard equipment from an unreliable supplier (nobody in Pakistan
considers the US an ally) is not suffient to dissuade it from developing
stronger links with a potential regional superpower and counter-weight to
other powers in the region.

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Actually we are already hearing AQ Khan issue being brought to surface in Congress to start some trouble. Changing wind is just around the corner. As soon as Mr Bush is out and a new democrat president is in we will see another sanctions regime, and this time Pakistan will be out of US's influence forever IMO. As regard to Iran-Pak pipeline (with potential of India joining in), i only see it moving forward in a couple of years time. Lets face it all three countries only benefit from it.

I agree with maglomanic. Once a Democratic president comes into power, Pakistan will once again be sanctioned and this time it will probably be for the Iran-Pakistan pipeline. At the same time if India decides to go for the Iran pipeline, India probably won't be punished as severely because India is needed as a counter-balance to China.

Once sanctions hit Pakistan, you can say bye-bye to any US-Pakistan cooperation in the future. Pakistan will then be able to sell all sorts of weapons to Iran without any consequences.

maglomanic said:

Actually we are already hearing AQ Khan issue being brought to surface in Congress to start some trouble. Changing wind is just around the corner. As soon as Mr Bush is out and a new democrat president is in we will see another sanctions regime, and this time Pakistan will be out of US's influence forever IMO. As regard to Iran-Pak pipeline (with potential of India joining in), i only see it moving forward in a couple of years time. Lets face it all three countries only benefit from it.

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That was some bullcrap from Gary Ackerman. The Democrats aren't that dumb. They'll just tell Pakistan to give AQ Khan or else....... I really don't understand the else part since Pakistan is a nuclear power and is not a pushover like Iraq. Plus you look at how much trouble the ISI can cook up, and oh boy. The US will be on a hellride! Anyway, the US knows that if Pakistan is sanctioned again, then more terrorism grows, and the War on Terror will be a waste.

FreeAsia2000 said:

I agree.


PakTopGun if you like I can post you an article about America's objectives in Central Asia and the SCO.

It's ironic that Iran now actually opposes the Tajik-Uzbek militia's

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Can you post that article as It would sure be interesting to see...

Also, I wanted to add to my previous statement was the fact that having closer relations bw Pakistan and Iran is not necessarily going to go against US interests. In fact the Americans could use their contacts in Pakistan for negotiations and diplomatic purposes, something which they lack in the current situation forcing them to negotiate thru other more distant countries.

DPRKUnderground said:

That was some bullcrap from Gary Ackerman. The Democrats aren't that dumb. They'll just tell Pakistan to give AQ Khan or else....... I really don't understand the else part since Pakistan is a nuclear power and is not a pushover like Iraq. Plus you look at how much trouble the ISI can cook up, and oh boy. The US will be on a hellride! Anyway, the US knows that if Pakistan is sanctioned again, then more terrorism grows, and the War on Terror will be a waste.

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Dude,
The problem with democrats is they are most unrealistic people in US. Why do you think Bush got elected twice? Democrats beleive in Cruise missile policy. Less intervention and they care more about lobbists on capitol hill than the ground realities. Since they would likely work on a pull out, Pakistan would become a liability and then what happens next is just anyone's guess. Now before i become totally political here
let me just say that there will be a complete U-turn on Pakistan. I can so see it coming. This time however the person in Rumsfield's position will find it impossible to engage Pakistan in future when they need em. He has already twice given specific example of Pakistan that how they have lost a lot of leverage just because of sanctions regime.